Firearms Industry Warns: Giuliani No Friend to Gun Owners

National Shooting Sports Foundation (NSSF) ^ | February 6, 2007 | Ted Novin

[glock rocks]

I believe the present Republican party and its leaders have pissed away their best chance of the last 50 years already. They've lost both houses of congress and, by posturing McCain and Guilliani, are setting themselves up to lose the white house. Why, you might ask... but that's another thread.

I wonder if Hillary will bring the silverware and W keys back.

[Alberta's Child]

I don't know, if this is his only weakness, he can easily cut off worries by making a strong promise not to grab guns.

I don't know any NRA-types who are going to be conned by this kind of nonsense. A politician who promises to do things that fly in the face of everything his track record indicates should never be trusted by principled, rational people.

[flashbunny]

The people that call it 'spamming' are the liberals on the board who can't stand having their favorite candidates exposed.

I posted one picture, brand new which has never been posted before, another person posted another. Both extremely relevant to this discussion.

However, the RINO lovers absolutely HATE it because it exposes rudy for what he is - a gun grabber who would be derided as a liberal if he held the same positions with a (D) next to his name instead of an (R).

[Jet Jaguar]

Well put.

[beltfed308]

Bump. Well said!

[ExpatGator]

If the GOP finds themselves in this position, then it is a problem of their own making. If statist, Constitution shredding megalomaniacs get their parties' nod then we will have to deal with the aftermath.

I personally do not see much difference between Giuliani/McCain/Romney and Clinton/Obama/Biden. They will all ignore the Constitution in pursuit of their agendas, which are not very different.

[garv]

I don't know why it took so long for me to realize, but as a Catholic the attempted Giulianization of conservatism is analogous to the attempts to "liberalize" the Church.

What Giuliani supporters need to grasp, especially those who are legitimately conservative and willing to sacrifice their beliefs, is just as the effort to destroy traditional Catholicism left the Church adrift and failing for decades, the "secularization" of conservatism will destroy both the movement and in the process, the Republican party.

[NVDave]

OK, so if the public were demanding infringement of free speech, or other rights, and Rudy did that, then you'd be OK with it?

I don't think so.

Rudy is no conservative, not even a "compassionate conservative."

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Welcome to FR.

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It's worth noting that FreeRepublic is broadly comprised of two different groups: Republicans and conservatives.

What a great post. And you nailed it. Consider me the latter as well.

[LetsRok]

Rudy was a Mayor, not a Governor.

[Alberta's Child]

Someone had a great quote a few months back along those lines. It was something to this effect:

Rudy Giuliani doesn't realize that abortion, gay rights, etc. are doing the same damage to American culture that petty theft and public urination did to New York City.

[Chena]

I do not think it is fair nor accurate to call someone a "liberal" just because they believe Giuliani might make a good president. I have yet to vote for a president who fullfilled my entire wishlist. We need to have these debates in order to listen and learn about all of the possible Republican candidates, but I do feel it would be more productive if people could do so without the personal insults and name-calling.

The term RINO is used and abused far too often, in my honest opinion.

[California Patriot]

In short, you hope that other people will do your work for you.

[Sword_Svalbardt]

Giuliani is a moderate, loves gays, and will do whatever it takes to buy somebody's vote.

[Afronaut]

"An open mind is a wonderful place to learn. :)"

"Liberals can only set the conservative agenda back. RINOs are attempting to define it out of existence."

This quote is all about 2008.

[Towed_Jumper]

"Pay attention, the GOP is about to drop gun owners like a bad habit."

And the GOP will do that at their own peril. 4M+ members of the NRA and GOA are not likely to vote for Rudy if he gets the nomination --even if the Hillary-beast is the DemonRats nominee.

Think about it, what would be the difference with regards to having either one in the Oval office? We get to choose from a liberal RINO from NY or a liberal DemonRat from NY who's basic belief systems with regards to public policy are pretty much the same: Anti-gun, Pro-abort, Pro-homos, Pro-Big Government, pro-tax & spend, pro-liberal judges, etc.

I can't and won't pull the lever for Guiliani...I'll go to the polls on election day to try and elect as many conservative Republicans as I can at the local, state, and Federal level. But when I'm done I'll go home on election night watching the returns while reloading another thousand rounds of ammo. Either way come Jan08, Rudy or the Hillary-beast will be telling us all to turn in our guns.

[The Spirit Of Allegiance]

"He will project the plank that endorses him."

That is politics, swaying in the breeze, testing the wind. We need STATESMEN that stand for the original Constitution. There's your plank.

Planks that are worth supporting in a party start as backbone, not as focus group studies.

[Yorlik803]

Oh God.. It is fast eddie Rendell....the stopper of Vet Votes in 2000..the man who has hired goon beat people up when they have the nerve to ask the wrong question...
I dont like Rudy...But he isnt in the same league as this Highbinder.

[Afronaut]

"I have yet to vote for a president who fullfilled my entire wishlist. "

Abortion
Borders
Guns
Gay Unions

There is more than a "wish list at stake here, It is the whole Pizza