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No new taxes in Bush budget, but lots of fees
Waterbury Republican-American ^ | February 7, 2007 | Kevin G. Hall (A.P.)

Posted on 02/07/2007 12:20:14 PM PST by Graybeard58

WASHINGTON -- The Bush administration may be squarely against new taxes, but its proposed fiscal 2008 budget seeks to raise almost $81 billion in new revenue over the next five years by hiking user fees and other charges on taxpayers and businesses.

Technically, changes to these fees aren't taxes. But for anyone who must pay them -- everyone from recreational hikers to war veterans -- it's a question of semantics.

The big revenue gains would come from changes to federal health-care programs.

Bush would raise more than $15 billion through 2012 by allowing the Defense Department to raise enrollment fees and deductibles for medical care provided to military retirees under age 65. It would also raise retail pharmacy co-payments for all military retirees.

He'd raise another $1.6 billion over five years by increasing the pharmacy co-pay for all veterans and another $526 million by raising medical care fees for non-disabled, high-income war veterans. Veterans with household income above $50,000 a year would pay an annual enrollment fee of $250, which would jump to $750 a year for vets with household income above $100,000.

The president also seeks to limit the growth in health care subsidies for high-income beneficiaries of Medicare, the federal health-insurance program for the elderly. His budget estimates collecting $5.5 billion over five years through "reduced subsidies for certain high-income beneficiaries."

Bush also proposes to end the practice of indexing for inflation the income thresholds that determine just how much wealthy Medicare beneficiaries must pay out of their own pockets. Over time, failure to index those income thresholds for inflation would allow more Americans to shoulder a greater share of their health costs.

The biggest single new revenue generator under Bush's user-fee section is $35 billion he'd collect over five years from airlines for use of the nation's air traffic control system. This would ostensibly eliminate ticket taxes and other charges imposed by airlines on consumers. But the airlines would still be expected to pass on the new costs to the flying public.


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Does a tax by any other name suck just as much?
1 posted on 02/07/2007 12:20:17 PM PST by Graybeard58
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To: Graybeard58

Don't take this as a support for any of these fees, but a fee is not a tax. An income tax, for instance, punishes success no matter how the taxpayer achieved it. A fee asks a person using a serbvice to pay part of the cost. Take the example of the hiker. A fee-less hiking trail charges a guy in a wheelchair (through income taxes) for the upkeep of the trail. A fee charges those who use it.


2 posted on 02/07/2007 12:29:42 PM PST by Mr. Silverback ("Safe sex? Not until they develop a condom for the heart."--Freeper All the Best)
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To: Graybeard58

The Demorats ought to LOVE this budget then, since it sticks it to us. I wonder if they have ever thought about cutting spending?

Meadow Muffin


3 posted on 02/07/2007 12:29:56 PM PST by rwgal
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To: Mr. Silverback

Tri-Care premiums and co pays to go up. Another increase in my free for life benefits.


4 posted on 02/07/2007 12:33:08 PM PST by csmusaret (Mnimum wage today; maximum wage tomorrow. It's the Socialist way.)
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To: Graybeard58

So, Bush is raising taxes. What a surprise.


5 posted on 02/07/2007 12:33:32 PM PST by Texas Federalist (Gingrich '08)
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To: Texas Federalist
Bush is not expecting people in wheelchairs to pay for national park hiking trail upkeep. What a non-surprise.

See, it's possible to type a post on FR without exhibiting symptoms of BDS. Try it sometime!

6 posted on 02/07/2007 12:37:12 PM PST by Mr. Silverback ("Safe sex? Not until they develop a condom for the heart."--Freeper All the Best)
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To: csmusaret
Thank you for your service. However...no offense, but what part of me saying "Don't take this as support for any of these fees" did you not understand?

If any of these pols were serious about cutting costs at the VA they'd start cleaning the fake vets and other fraudulent scumbags out of the system.

7 posted on 02/07/2007 12:39:12 PM PST by Mr. Silverback ("Safe sex? Not until they develop a condom for the heart."--Freeper All the Best)
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To: rwgal
The Demorats ought to LOVE this budget then, since it sticks it to us.

No, the democrats typically don't like making the recipients or consumers of a service pay their share of that service. They prefer to make somebody else pay for it and then take credit for "giving" it to the recipient/consumer.

8 posted on 02/07/2007 12:43:38 PM PST by VRWCmember (Everyone is entitled to my opinion.)
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To: Graybeard58
TAX = I have a gun (or more of them or bigger) and you will pay.

FEE = Pay or no service.

Would you like to pay $250 a year for health insurance and say $20 per prescription (for a 3 month supply if required) without regard to the cost of the drug? Just go to your local recruiter and put in 20+ years.


People complaining about this sound like a bunch of whiny ass democrats. WHAAAAAAAAAAA ITS NOT FREE!

TANSTAFL
9 posted on 02/07/2007 12:44:04 PM PST by fireforeffect (A kind word and a 2x4, gets you more than just a kind word.)
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To: Graybeard58

The Bush legacy keeps forming -- and now he can do the same shaft-job on America that his father did....

** Read my lips...NO NEW TAXES **

The pandering to the left just keeps on building, doesn't it ?? Note that all the things he wants TO TAX or hurt financially are people that do not provide campaign contributions....amazing how that works, isn't it ??


10 posted on 02/07/2007 12:44:28 PM PST by EagleUSA
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To: Mr. Silverback

I didn't mean to imply you were for or against anything. I just wanted to make it clear to everyone on this thread that military retirees were about to get jobbed again.


11 posted on 02/07/2007 12:44:30 PM PST by csmusaret (Mnimum wage today; maximum wage tomorrow. It's the Socialist way.)
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He'd raise another $1.6 billion over five years by increasing the pharmacy co-pay for all veterans and another $526 million by raising medical care fees for non-disabled, high-income war veterans. Veterans with household income above $50,000 a year would pay an annual enrollment fee of $250, which would jump to $750 a year for vets with household income above $100,000.

Thanks for your service to our counrty, now grab them ankles!


12 posted on 02/07/2007 12:49:40 PM PST by WhiteGuy (GOP Congress - 16,000 earmarks costing US $50 billion in 2006 - PAUL2008)
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To: Graybeard58
Increasing co-pays is not a tax or a fee, it's a spending cut.

It's reducing the benefits provided. Actually since medical costs have been increasing so quickly, it's more of reducing how much the benefit has been increased by, rather than a reduction in benefits.

The government doesn't collect this money, so it's not a fee as far as the government is concerned. It would only be a government fee if we had truly socialized health care.

You can say that raising enrollment fees for health care programs is technically a fee increase. However, the costs of health care benefits have been sky rocketing for years. Unless these are huge increases to the enrollment fees, it's unlikely that this represents a decrease in benefits, or even a proportional increase in the fees to match the increase in the costs. It is really another spending cut.

Reducing subsidies for high-income medicare recipients is a spending cut, not a fee increase or a tax increase. You can say that it unfairly treats those who make more money and already pay higher taxes, but it is a spending cut.

The biggest single new revenue generator under Bush's user-fee section is $35 billion he'd collect over five years from airlines for use of the nation's air traffic control system. This would ostensibly eliminate ticket taxes and other charges imposed by airlines on consumers. But the airlines would still be expected to pass on the new costs to the flying public.

So he removes a tax and replaces it with a fee that more accurately targets those who benefit from the services.

The author seems to act like taxes are remaining the same and the administration is increasing fees to cover increased spending, but the examples they provide show spending cuts and shifting a tax to a fee.

It's not a very honest portrayal of the facts.

13 posted on 02/07/2007 12:50:52 PM PST by untrained skeptic
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To: Graybeard58

read my lips junior: no new "taxes" ... heh, but new "fees"


14 posted on 02/07/2007 12:52:16 PM PST by bluebeak
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To: csmusaret
No offense. However, my co-pays have increased several times, and the amount I pay for my health care benefits have been increasing every year.

I complained about it until the HR person from corporate simply layed out what the costs per employee for insurance really were and how much it has been increasing every year.

I end up paying a couple hundred more a year. The company ends up paying a couple thousand more a year.

The purpose of co-pays is to have the people use some discretion rather than go to the doctor for every minor scrape or to demand a prescription for the latest drug they heard about on TV.

The co-pays general pass on a small portion of the overall cost which is not enough to keep people from getting needed medical care, but enough to discourage SOME from getting unneeded care.

15 posted on 02/07/2007 1:02:20 PM PST by untrained skeptic
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To: Graybeard58
Did someone say this guy was a conservative?

Well, I bought it, and have been sorry ever since; and from the way the Republicans earmarked their way through congress the last several years it's pretty clear that "reduced spending" and "smaller government" was a fairy tale packaged to get votes.

There's a party in Pennsylvania called the Constitution Party that may have some hope. I'm not one of them, but the last election, I liked what they had to say.
16 posted on 02/07/2007 1:02:51 PM PST by Herakles (Diversity is code word for anti-white racism)
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To: Herakles
I did not vote for Bush because he was a conservative.

I voted for Bush because I KNEW Gore and Kerry were nutjobs.

Sometimes you have to pick the lesser of two weevils.
17 posted on 02/07/2007 1:09:21 PM PST by fireforeffect (A kind word and a 2x4, gets you more than just a kind word.)
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To: untrained skeptic
So he removes a tax and replaces it with a fee that more accurately targets those who benefit from the services.

That would be optimal if it were coupled with a corresponding cut in the tax rate. However, a rise in fees without a corresponding tax cut, rather than merely shift the burden of programs to those who use them, also grows the size of the federal government (as the money freed up can be used for further spending).

This is nothing but another government-building scam.

18 posted on 02/07/2007 1:10:20 PM PST by Texas Federalist (Gingrich '08)
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To: Graybeard58

He would take money away from our vets who put their limb and life on the line for America -- yet he perpetuates the OVER $100 BILLION per year stolen from the U.S. taxpayer to fund the MILLIONS of illegals in this country. His friends.

Now I ask -- "What country does Bush work for?"


19 posted on 02/07/2007 1:24:52 PM PST by EagleUSA
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To: Herakles
"Well, I bought it, and have been sorry ever since; and from the way the Republicans earmarked their way through congress the last several years it's pretty clear that "reduced spending" and "smaller government" was a fairy tale packaged to get votes."

I am sorry to say that I totally agree with your statement. The Republicans blew it. They had a mandate!!! It was handed to them on a silver platter.

I had a simple test for my Republican Reps and Sens...and that was to go to D.C. and do their job. They failed.

I have looked long and hard at the Constitution Party. If you read...the Party considers all welfare recipients receiving tax money to be receiving a "LOAN". It's a rather ingenious idea.

The only downside to this party is the fact that they think we (USA) should not be as involved in international affairs (ie. war against terror).
20 posted on 02/07/2007 1:24:58 PM PST by borntobeagle
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