Al Gore Sides With China Instead Of U.S. On Global Warming (Reported by The AP, h/t Drudge

NewsBusters ^ | Feb 8, 2007 | Noel Sheppard

[p. henry]

Evergreen forests, including temperate and tropical rain forests, are net consumers of CO2. The largest remaining stands of evergreen forests are in Canada, Russia, the United States and Brazil. In any rational CO2 control regime, those countries should receive incentives to adopt policies that would lead to the retention and expansion of evergreen forests. Such a policy was considered and rejected during the drafting of the Kyoto Protocal. Countries without evergreen forests outvoted countries with them. Instead Kyoto focused only on CO2 production, excluded much of the world (including the two fastest growing economies in the world) and proposed reductions in CO2 essentially only from Western Europe and North America that, if achieved (and even the western countries that have ratified Kyoto are failing to meet their obligations under it) would have no significant impact on global warming.

If Kyoto does not reduce global warming, then unless the people who prepared it are idiots (which presumably they are not) it must then serve a different purpose, and that purpose is wealth redistribution. Much like the Law of the Sea Treaty and recently proposed limits on nanotechnology research and production, Kyoto would result in transfers of wealth from the West to "developing" countries without any demonstrable benefit to anyone other than those in control of the developing countries and the NGO's that would mediate the transfer of wealth.

[Matchett-PI]

"I wish someone would have the stones to charge Gore with treason----along with Jane Fonda and John Kerry"

Ain't gonna happen when more than 50% of the voters in this country go out of their way to support and try to elect traitors.

[Matchett-PI]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1781291/posts?page=48#48

[piytar]

Exactly why is the worlds biggest polluter allowed to sign Kyoto but is completely free of all aspects of the Kyoto protocol and its wealth transfer scheme, is it because they are Communists?

In a word, YES.

[PDR]

Its nice to know that, when Al Gore is bought, he stays bought.

[BuffaloJack]

Don't be fooled. The dirty little secret about global warming is this: IT DOESN'T EXIST! We are just experiencing a natural long term global climate cycle (ice ages alternating with tropical periods).
The "Inconvenient Truth" to the hype is that socialists have siezed on the "Global Warming" BIG LIE to push a socialist agenda. The Kyoto treaty would create a condition for the global redistribution of wealth, the socialists ultimate goal.
"Global Warming" is just a rallying point for the masses, the real socialists could care less about the climate. Part of their agenda: All naysayers need to be punished for bringing the truth to light.
Global Warming has become the religion of socialism, the Kyoto Treaty is its holy scripture and Al Gore is its Messiah. You either believe or you are a heretic.

[Eva]

The politics of the environment is the main front in deconstructing capitalism and life as we know it. Post modernism is the philosophy behind it.

I hadn't paid much attention to post modern philosophy or any philosophy for that matter. The subject just seemed to deep, ever since my first and only course in the philosophy of religion, as a freshman. But an article on the Duke lacrosse case woke me to the fact that post modernism is the philosophy that we, as conservatives are battling in our universities and politics. "Most universities are no longer temples of knowledge, but of power, and true moderns worship there" (Dean Koontz in Brother Odd)

(from the American Standard on the Duke case, discussing the gang of 88 professors) Postmodern theorists pride themselves in discerning what they call "meta-narratives." They argue that such concepts as, say, Christianity or patriotism or the American legal system are no more than socially constructed tall tales that the postmodernists can then "deconstruct" to unmask the real purpose behind them, which is (say the postmodernists) to prop up societal structures of--yes, you guessed it--race, gender, class, and white male privilege.

Oh, and virtually ALL post modernists are socialists.

[ponder life]

Nothing America can do to reduce greenhouse-gas emissions will make a significant impact on the global climate while every day China fires up a coal-fueled plant big enough to power San Diego. China will construct 2,200 new coal plants by 2030.

You have to keep in mind that on a PER CAPITA basis, America and other developed nations consume significantly more energy and thereby emit more carbon dioxide than developing countries like China. China's populations is 4 times that of the US. So, with that fact, China should be allowed 4 times the carbon emissions (but they still emit less than the US). So even by your projection, China's additional 2200 new coal plants by 2030, would unlikely result in China churning out 4 times the carbon dioxide as the US.

The rest of the world is clamouring for the same standard of the living as the US and would want the same quota of carbon emissions (on a per capita basis). So, I agree with Gore, while developing nations are increasing the use of energy (and thereby increasing carbon emissions), the developed nations need to come up with the technology to emit less carbon dioxide with the energy they are already consuming. per capita energy consumption in US: 333 million BTU per capita energy consumption in China: 46 million BTU

[jonassen]

Of course, Al Gore didn't mebntion that one of the fastest growing economies in the world is China's

Fast growth rate means China is a developing country. The author of this article, Noel Sheppard, needs to get a spell checker and take some basic econ classes.

[Bailee]

That would be to good for him. How about deporting him to China if he likes them so well. Six months later we would probably catch him crossing the border in Mexico.

[Bitsy]

And remember during the debates with Pres. Bush how he stood right by him while Pres. Bush was talking and just stared at him, etc. Al's a nut job I tell you!

[petercooper]

The Stalker

[Paul Ross]

Al Gore's favor-currying behaviour with China is a love-fest made in the Heavanly Gate of Beijing.

Remember the Bhuddist Monks (vow of poverty and all) who somehow magically gave Al Gore's 2000 campaign what, a hundred thousand ?

[Edgerunner]

Since when does the Nobel peace prize have anything to do with climate change? Come to think of it, since when does the Nobel peace prize have anything to do with peace?

[Laissez-faire capitalist]

I find it interesting that you apparently seek to turn the attention away from the big lies that are pushing the global warming hysteria and turn the attention rather onto Noel Sheppard.

[Laissez-faire capitalist]

Your post is an Appeal to Ignorance.

[ponder life]

Your post is an Appeal to Ignorance.

It depends on your intent and goal. If you're goal is to ensure all energy sources (and thereby carbon emissions quota) to yourself and those around you, then, maybe.

But if you want to be fair to the rest of the world, then it is not.

Here is a sample of US electrical energy source. Notice how 70% is from fossil fuels:

http://www.eia.doe.gov/cneaf/electricity/epa/epat2p2.html

China recently reported a capacity of 622,000 MW (vs over 1,000,000 MW for the US as reported in the link). Though, China's reported capacity is second largest in the world, it is far from what the average American consumes in electricity. Should not China with it's 1.3 billion people (vs 300 million in the US) not have at least the same generating capcity as the US if not more (4 times more that is)?

So, once again, I agree with Al Gore. And those who don't, have ulterior motives of keeping the global energy source (and any carbon emissions quota), to themselves.

[jonassen]

Just because Noel Sheppard is on the right side, doesn't make him any less of a clueless idiot. Anyone can join the bandwagon.

[khnyny]

Thanks for the info. Gore has lost any small amount of credibility he may have once had in defending China's environmental atrocities.

[khnyny]

[The politics of the environment is the main front in deconstructing capitalism and life as we know it. Post modernism is the philosophy behind it.]

Ugh, sorry, but I don't think your argument really makes any sense in this particular context. Blanket judgements and statements, imho, are never accurate. That being said, the evidence (not just opinion) is that the natural environment actually is in very bad shape, now the causation and solutions are certainly up for debate. It's not really if we have a problem at this point, but how are we going to fix it.