Posted on 02/09/2007 11:44:19 AM PST by Froufrou
And these are the ones who have some 'affordable' med program for seniors, I think. I respect your decision, as I'm sure will your doctor. Talk with your pharmacist, too.
No, I don't expect her to. And if she wants to get the vaccine herself, or if my younger (much) daughters and I feel they need it at some point, then yes, I will discuss it with them. My point is that the government shouldn't be mandating a vaccine for a virus like this. It isn't the government's job to do this or to make these decisions for my kids. It is mine. I can't expect perfection for my daughters, but I can expect, as an American that prefers smaller government, that these choices will be ours to make as a family as opposed to it being a mandatory thing that takes away from my ability to discuss the consequences of thoughtless action. If they decide they will not be abstinent, it is still a decision between me and my girls, not my girls and Merck.
There are two groups of people on FR who are objecting to Gardasil. The first are the folks who -- like yourself -- apparently object to all vaccines. I have nothing to say to you and them (and yes I'm a father and grandfather) other than the benefit conferred by vaccines over the last 150 years has been truly incalculable. Thanks to vaccinations, we no longer have to worry about yellow fever, or small pox or tuberculosis or polio or any of a number of diseases that maimed, crippled and killed our ancestors. Vaccinations have increased the quality of life in the developed world more than any other development in the history of human civilization.
The second group of folks have concerns specific to Gardasil. It's to that second group (that comprises the majority here, I believe) that I was speaking. I think their concerns are either ill-informed or based heavily on prudery regarding any sexually transmitted disease.
Why is it when we're on to them we have to fight for our rights? I was amazed at how many kids had reactions out of the 19,000 entries on the petition.
To think my own parents just up and did it based on what they were told. Polio was scary business, but the other ones?
I've seen where it's 12 to 20 states now.
I'll do some digging & see if I can come up with the articles.
There's no proof it's a lifetime immunity, considering there have been no studies past 5 years. On minors, there was no study that went past 18 months. On girls 9-11...there was no study done.
The precancer HPV can be caught with a pap smear.
Are you suggesting we FORCE girls (who as I said, are at an age where there was no clinical test done, so saying there were no adverse reactions is pretty accurate) to take a vaccine that has been proven to be dangerous to some individuals when the problem it's supposed to be preventing can be caught with a routine pap smear? There's no opt-out in West Virginia.
This doesn't protect against all HPV, either, so that figure you have (which is based off a study done in the 80s) wouldn't change very much. Women can still get the other strains.
There are two girls who may have developed a serious and sometimes deadly syndrome from this vaccine.
If people want the vaccine, they should take it. If not, they shouldn't be forced to take it.
I respect your opinion but disagree that prudery is the basis for objection. I'd say there's another class, the group who says if it's good for the gander it's good for the goose.
My initial objections [Monday's first post] were that the data are insufficient for a condition which is not epidemic.
Later in the week, as I received a FReepmail from someone with a bad experience and I had time to research and visit nvic.org, I realized that there have been many people who have had adverse reactions to vaccines.
Do I think that means they were all too soon on the market? I don't know. I was lucky. I do think my parents would be horrified if they were alive to see what I have this week. The would probably think that's what killed my sister, who died in infancy.
Give it to your family but don't mandate it on mine. Our family is capable of making our own decisions after our own research. We will also discuss our decisions and findings with our pediatrician. This needs to have an opt in or opt out clause. As it stands now, it doesn't. As I stated earlier of the 150,000,000 women in this country and if I trust your 80% figure that carry the HPV virus, how many actually die from the cancer? Or are we trying to save people from themselves because they don't go to a doctor regularly to have a routine test that under most insurance plans is covered 100%.
More people die each year from obesity related illnesses, look around WV, they are everywhere. Yet all you can eat buffets are going unregulated!!!
Moves to Vaccinate Girls For Cervical Cancer Draw Fire:
Bills being drafted in some 20 U.S. states that would make a cervical-cancer vaccine mandatory for preteen girls are sparking a backlash among parents and consumer advocates.
TWENTY states! The net is being slammed with news releases, too about how Gardasil 'may' protect against more viruses than first thought. (Wink, wink...nudge, nudge)
Anyone checked their stock?
It went up on the day after the Royal Proclamation was issued.
The HPV virus's incubation period is 20 years,
That's kind of strange. How did I get warts in 3 months? I certainly didn't have sex when I was 2.
I think they meant "virus's incubation period is as long as 20 years"....
http://www.drudge.com/news/89786/merck-campaigns-cervical-cancer-vaccine
This Drudge piece was at 18 states on Jan. 31!!! I will have to look there more often!!!
Thanks for the link!
Eva Peron was 33 when she died of advanced cervical cancer.
It the Wall Street Journal. I don't think I made an FR fubar, but I told the mod.
It lets us know this thing is being pushed everywhere.The company has invested lots of money donations in the states' legislatures to make this happen.
Big bucks for the company, the states looks like heroes.....and our kids get left holding the bag.
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I don't THINK so!
Yep.
http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/551247
"Progression from HPV infection to invasive cancer takes an average of 20 years."
It's under Study Highlights.
"Informed consent? Long term risk from vaccine?
Who the heck cares? We politicians bought stock in Merck BEFORE the new law."
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