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To: bondjamesbond
"I don't want my 17-year-old son to have to pick tomatoes or make beds in Las Vegas."

As if Karl Rove's kid would actually be doing this if the illegals weren't here right now.

There's something that I find rather repulsive in this attitude among America's elites today that honest-to-goodness work is demeaning and something to be avoided at all costs, even for young teenagers.

5 posted on 02/09/2007 11:49:56 AM PST by jpl
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To: jpl

As if Karl Rove's kid would actually be doing this if the illegals weren't here right now.

That is the LAST place you will find ANY of the elite politicians' children working.
I on the other hand worked for years in a potato packing shed and then later put myself through college tending bar.
I am soooooo glad to know that I shouldn't have been doing either job, that they should be left to illegal immigrants.
If it weren't for those jobs where the heck would I have started Karl Rove?
Ignoramuses,every single one of them.


10 posted on 02/09/2007 11:55:09 AM PST by sheana
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To: jpl

I want big-time confirmation that this was said. Sworn statements and tape recordings would be appropriate here. With all the half-assed republicans we have in Congress now - far less their wives - was should be very wary of taking this type of report at face value.


12 posted on 02/09/2007 11:55:24 AM PST by twonie (RUDY FOR PRESIDENT '08. THERE - A COMMITMENT OUT LOUD.)
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To: jpl
Exactly! And most young people, do not stay in the menial jobs, they either advance to higher levels, or use that hard earned money to struggle through college. Is it any wonder, with attitudes like this, that it is so hard for our young people to "make it" to that point? The "making it" of course, refers to keeping the bills pay and eating while trying to advance, or getting though college. The reason I am against mandated health insurance. Young people working hard and struggling to make ends meet, cannot afford a car payt. and insurance, never mind health insurance. If they are lucky, the get an entry level job with benefits. If they are wise also, they choose it.
18 posted on 02/09/2007 12:00:09 PM PST by gidget7 (2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:)
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To: jpl

Somebody would have to do it, or else we wouldn't have tomatoes.

IN fact, I hire people to do work around my house because I don't want to do it myself. You could make that sound terrible, like I think I'm above those who do menial labor. But in fact it's just a simple statement that I have no interest in installing another hot water heater, so it's easier for me to spend money to get someone else to do it.

And if for some reason we took actions which eliminated all hot-water-heater installers, then I would be forced to install my own. And I would oppose the action, and might be caught saying "I don't want to have to install my own hot water heater", and someone would say I sound like an elitist.

We have jobs we want to have done, and they are menial jobs, and there aren't enough americans around who want to work at those menial jobs.

That's a fact. We have 12-20 million illegals here now, probably 10 million or more doing menial jobs. We have a 4.5% unemployment rate, and almost every fast food restaurant where I live is looking for workers.

If they can't get americans or legal immigrants to do those jobs today, how are they going to fill them when there are 10 million MORE jobs that need to be filled?


28 posted on 02/09/2007 12:09:38 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: jpl
There's something that I find rather repulsive in this attitude among America's elites today that honest-to-goodness work is demeaning and something to be avoided at all costs, even for young teenagers.

It is repulsive, and Rove's statement is repulsive on so many levels: 1) that doing physical work as a teenager is demeaning, 2) that those that do so work are being demeaned, and Americans should not have to do it, 3) that this "Americans should not have to be demeaned" is the rationale to increase the number of unskilled immigrants, and 4) that this rationale is what is really behind the Bush's in the end let them stay program, rather than keeping wages low in such jobs, and 5) that the policy had nothing to do with Bush's political calculations, calculations that have proved errant.

Of course, next to nobody pays attention to what Rove says anymore, and fewer and fewer are paying any attention to what Bush says.

90 posted on 02/09/2007 8:02:00 PM PST by Torie (The real facts can sometimes be inconvenient things)
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