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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Rudy's fiscal and national security record far overshadows his social liberalism

That's why he's polling way above the pack.

There is no issue that could be considered more important than national security.

There is an endless parade of single issue voters in the general population and FReepers alike and they share the same common stupidity.

One might not like gay, gun, tax, blah, blah, stances on a particular slice of our diverse population but it's all pointless if your dead.

Abortion, gay marriage and the like bear no relevance or priority when the residents of that same city have been wiped out by the islamofascists by a dirty bomb. 

267 posted on 02/10/2007 9:43:29 PM PST by quantim (Carcinoma Senatorus = Incurable cancer causing senators to think they're Presidential material.)
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To: quantim

Spot on!


317 posted on 02/10/2007 10:32:01 PM PST by nopardons
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To: quantim; Extremely Extreme Extremist
There is no issue that could be considered more important than national security.

You are correct, after a fashion, but, as Paul Harvey might say, "You forgot to tell us the rest of the story!".

Genuine "national security" consists of protecting, securing and preserving the sovereign, constitutional republic of the United States of America, which was established for the express purpose of guaranteeing the freedom and rights of its citizens to their lives, liberty and property, against all enemies, foreign or domestic.

It DOES NOT consist of using the threat of foreign enemies, however genuine, as a cover for the deconstruction of our Constitution and our Republic, and inevitably as a consequence, the loss of our freedom, rights and property.

Allowing our national leadership, of whatever party, to sally forth abroad and smite our foreign enemies, even destroy them utterly, while simultaneously allowing them to deconstruct and remake our nation into some "new order" and thereby steal the heritage of freedom and individual rights bequeathed to us by our Founding Fathers, THAT is not "national security" - it is "national suicide", at least of the "nation" we're supposed to have.

So, when you say national security is the most important consideration, I agree, but you need to understand that the threat is two-pronged - the "enemies domestic" are just as great a threat as the "enemies foreign".

329 posted on 02/10/2007 10:39:45 PM PST by tarheelswamprat (So what if I'm not rich? So what if I'm not one of the beautiful people? At least I'm not smart...)
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To: quantim
"There is no issue that could be considered more important than national security.
There is an endless parade of single issue voters in the general population and FReepers alike and they share the same common stupidity."

Your comments made me laugh just because of the contradictions and inconsistencies of what you and other Rudy supporters say here on this forum. First of all let's begin with this comment that you responded to: "Rudy's fiscal and national security record far overshadows his social liberalism." The problem I have with many of the Rudy supporters here is their dishonesty. Many, if not most, of the Rudy supporters here say that Rudy is a "social conservative". There has been only two that I recall here who were honest enough to admit that Rudy is not a social conservative, and is in fact a liberal. But they felt that his stand on national security was the most important "single issue" that compelled them to vote for Rudy. That's honest, but most of the Rudy supporters here are not honest in admitting this, even though Rudy's record clearly shows that he is a liberal.

That leads me to your comment where you said that "There is no issue that could be considered more important than national security". Then you go on to call FReepers who are single issue voters "stupid". I don't think that name calling is a very persuasive way to win people over to your side. Don't you see clearly what you are saying here? You are saying that Freepers who support Rudy because the number one issue (if not the ONLY issue) for them is, he will be good on national security. But Freepers who will not support Rudy for MANY reasons, are called "single issue voters". I believe that the FReepers who oppose Rudy have been far more persuasive than you and your Rudy supporter friends have been in explaining why they will not support Rudy. Many of them have pulled up his record and posted it here only to hear people complain and call them spammers. People who don't support Rudy are called spammers, stupid and single issue voters. Quite frankly, I think that the Rudy supporters have shown themselves to be the most single issue voters I've ever seen.

It would be far more honest if Rudy supporters would simply admit that they are supporting a liberal candidate and quit calling those who don't support him childish names. If you think issues such as guns, gun taxes, gay marriage, abortion and "blah, blah" (your words) are not important, then maybe you should tell Jim Robinson that. Or better yet, maybe you Rudybots should leave here and set up your own forum so you don't have to put up with us stupid Freepers here who believe in the conservative principles that Free Republic was founded on.

Let me say one final thing about the "particular slice of our diverse population" you speak of. Without our support Hillary is going to be the next president of the US. And I am honest enough to admit that without some of the moderate/liberal republicans supporting a more conservative candidate (if nominated) Hillary will be the next president of the US. For now, we can continue to disagree, that's fine, but at some point in time all of us are going to have to unite together for the good of our country and vote for the republican nominee, whoever he or she may be. I hope that we can at least agree on that.
386 posted on 02/11/2007 6:37:34 AM PST by dmw (Aren't you glad you use common sense, don't you wish everybody did?)
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