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No longer a joke – France is having to take Le Pen's threat seriously
UK Telegraph ^ | 11/15/06 | henry samuel

Posted on 02/10/2007 9:31:32 PM PST by Rodney King

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To: Jeff Chandler
Agree. Much as i admire LePen's anti-immigration stance, the fact is that he is something close to being a Holocaust-denier (I think his dismissive attitude about it being a 'detail' is just as troubling).

I also recall him referring to Hitler about 10-15 years ago as "Uncle Adolf".

If I were French I'd vote for Sarkozy. France's fate will be sealed id LePen draws enough votes to allow the left-winger to win; but at least they have a run-off system, so ultimately it should wind up between the two younger candidates. I can't see LePen making it past the first round this time. If he does it will ensure another landslide for the opposition, which will continue allowing the gradual takeover of France by the Islamists.

21 posted on 02/10/2007 10:26:14 PM PST by Al Simmons (Why Rudy in 2008? Because National Security should not be left to children.)
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To: Alter Kaker

It doesn't take much to be branded a fascist, these days.

If an outspoken wish for law and order, the promotion of national pride, a restrictive immigration policy, and a firm refusal to capitulate to the wannabee new islamic conquerers are the criteria to brand someone a fascist, well then, by all means, they can brand me a fascist, too. I won't mind.

The word "Nazi" refers to the 3rd Reich (ceased to exist in 1945) and is therefore out of chronological context, and calling someone a "Nazi" for reasons of disagreeing with his political views, merely reveals a painful lack of realism.
Too many people use the word as a substitute for reasonable argumentation. Call someone a "Nazi", and according to the well-known politically correct fundamentals, he's got something to feel terribly guilty about.

Yeah right.


22 posted on 02/10/2007 10:34:06 PM PST by Bazooka (When Tolerance met Indifference, it was love at first sight.)
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To: Bazooka
Again, I realize that the word fascist gets thrown around excessively. I'm not referring to people I don't like generically.

I'm referring to a specific political movement in France, that has continued, with the same names, faces and ideas, practically unabated since the 1930s. Le Pen is part of that movement. His glorification of Vichy, his past use of anti-Semitic themes, etc. all speak to that.

23 posted on 02/10/2007 10:41:26 PM PST by Alter Kaker ("Whatever tears one sheds, in the end one always blows one's nose." - Heine)
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To: Bazooka
The word "Nazi" refers to the 3rd Reich (ceased to exist in 1945) and is therefore out of chronological context,

That's nice. I didn't call Le Pen a Nazi, I called him a fascist. There's a subtle, but distinct difference.

24 posted on 02/10/2007 10:42:24 PM PST by Alter Kaker ("Whatever tears one sheds, in the end one always blows one's nose." - Heine)
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To: Rodney King


A member of the far right in France?

...so he's a just a big government socialist as opposed to a Leninist Communist?


25 posted on 02/10/2007 10:42:32 PM PST by Tzimisce (How Would Mohammed Vote? Hillary for President! www.dndorks.com)
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To: dfwgator
He's a fascist scumbag.

By fascist do you mean someone who believes that the government should control the economy through the regulatin of private companies, or do you just mean someone you don't like who is not a communist? He wishes to entirely repeal the income tax in france, fyi.

26 posted on 02/10/2007 10:43:45 PM PST by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: Alter Kaker
But Le Pen is actually a fascist. I don't bandy that word about -- unlike so many others falsely given that label, he comes directly out of the fascist collaborationist movement in France

How does that square with the fact the he fought in the French resistance?

27 posted on 02/10/2007 10:44:53 PM PST by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: Rodney King

BTT


28 posted on 02/10/2007 10:47:49 PM PST by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: Rodney King
How does that square with the fact the he fought in the French resistance?

It doesn't, because he never fought in the French resistance.

At times, he has claimed he did -- in fact he's claimed to have been a hero --, but nobody who actually fought in the resistance ever recalls M. Le Pen. None of his stories check out, and his ex-wife says that he spent most of the war hiding under his bed. The guy is as phony as a 3 euro bill.

29 posted on 02/11/2007 12:42:39 AM PST by Alter Kaker ("Whatever tears one sheds, in the end one always blows one's nose." - Heine)
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To: Rodney King

None of this maters. They're all french, and they all hate us. The choices are A). America-and-Jew-hating Socialist, B). America-and-Jew-hating Fascist, or C). America-and-Jew-hating-french-muzzy. I say screw them all.


30 posted on 02/11/2007 12:44:05 AM PST by lesser_satan (EKTHELTHIOR!!!)
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To: omnivore

What the article doesn't mention is that since the last election, Le Pen has been getting friendly with France's Muslims. And why not? He hates Jews and the US as much as they do. Some of his original supporters have broken off to another party in protest of this Islamic accomodation -- but he doesn't care since he's probably gaining more in Islamic votes as a result.


31 posted on 02/11/2007 1:22:38 AM PST by LenS
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To: NeoCaveman
Hey Royal v. LePen, (if it came to that) I'd take LePen.

I'd take Royal even though she is a socialist. Le Pen is an anti-Semite and lies through his teeth. Royal is just stupid. Both would cause damage to France, but Le Pen would be much worse.

Anyways, I hope that Sarkozy keeps on trucking and Royal keeps on fumbling (and that Le Pen doesn't get his 500 signatures to run).

32 posted on 02/11/2007 1:29:20 AM PST by burzum (Despair not! I shall inspire you by charging blindly on!--Minsc, BG2)
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To: lesser_satan
None of this maters. They're all french, and they all hate us. The choices are A). America-and-Jew-hating Socialist, B). America-and-Jew-hating Fascist, or C). America-and-Jew-hating-french-muzzy. I say screw them all.

Give me a break! This French bashing is irrational. Yes, Le Pen is definitely anti-Semitic and Royal would rather support Hezbollah than Israel. But there is no indication that Sarkozy is anti-Semitic. His grandfather was Jewish and I haven't heard a single statement by him that is anti-Semitic. Being French doesn't mean that you are anti-Semitic. In fact France has one of the highest levels of respect and tolerance for Jews in the Western World.

33 posted on 02/11/2007 1:38:54 AM PST by burzum (Despair not! I shall inspire you by charging blindly on!--Minsc, BG2)
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To: Rodney King

Your article is totally out of date.

In the latest polls, http://www.lemonde.fr/web/vi/0,47-0@2-823448,54-848463,0.html le Pen is polling under 11%, behind the moderate Center Right Candidate Francois Bayrou.

Le Pen has not polled above 13% since november 2006.

That is a very good thing for France, and for the rest of the world as well. Le Pen is a neo-Nazi, an anti-Semite who hates America and Israel. He is anti-Capitalist and anti free trade. Where anyone gets the ideas that he is a good guy is beyond me.


34 posted on 02/11/2007 2:01:12 AM PST by Cincinna (HILLARY & HER HINO "We are going to take things away from you for the Common Good")
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To: RockinRight

If you hate Israel, hate Jews, and hate America, then le Pen is your man.


35 posted on 02/11/2007 2:02:38 AM PST by Cincinna (HILLARY & HER HINO "We are going to take things away from you for the Common Good")
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To: RockinRight

Le Pen is a neo-Nazi, an anti-Semite who hates America and Israel. He is anti-Capitalist and anti free trade. Where anyone gets the ideas that he is a good guy is beyond me.


36 posted on 02/11/2007 2:03:27 AM PST by Cincinna (HILLARY & HER HINO "We are going to take things away from you for the Common Good")
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To: NeoCaveman

Le Pen is a neo-Nazi, an anti-Semite who hates America and Israel. He is anti-Capitalist and anti free trade. Where anyone gets the ideas that he is a good guy is beyond me.

Anyone who roots for that kind of scum is just as low as he is.


37 posted on 02/11/2007 2:04:39 AM PST by Cincinna (HILLARY & HER HINO "We are going to take things away from you for the Common Good")
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To: Reagan80

To equate the utterly vile and discredited le Pen with Ronald Reagan is nigh on to blasphemy.

Le Pen is a neo-Nazi, an anti-Semite who hates America and Israel. He is anti-Capitalist and anti free trade. Where anyone gets the ideas that he is a good guy is beyond me.


38 posted on 02/11/2007 2:06:03 AM PST by Cincinna (HILLARY & HER HINO "We are going to take things away from you for the Common Good")
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To: Jeff Chandler

"The Center-Right in Europe is not the same as the Center-Right in America. Some of those folks are WAY out in right field."

Sarko is part of the Center Right in France.

Le Pen is an extreme Right Wing neo-Nazi and anti-Semite who hates Jews, hates Israel, and hates America.

Still admore him?


39 posted on 02/11/2007 2:09:05 AM PST by Cincinna (HILLARY & HER HINO "We are going to take things away from you for the Common Good")
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To: Bazooka

Le Pen is a neo-Nazi, an anti-Semite who hates America and Israel. He is anti-Capitalist and anti free trade. Where anyone gets the ideas that he is a good guy is beyond me.

Anyone who roots for that kind of scum is just as low as he is.

Still in his Fan Club?


40 posted on 02/11/2007 2:12:48 AM PST by Cincinna (HILLARY & HER HINO "We are going to take things away from you for the Common Good")
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