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New York, New York Rudy vs. Hillary in 2008? [NOONAN]
The Wallstreet Journal ^ | Friday, February 9, 2007 12:01 a.m. EST | Peggy Noonan

Posted on 02/11/2007 4:34:50 PM PST by Forgiven_Sinner

According to polls, Hillary Clinton holds an early and significant lead among Democratic voters (43%, compared with 22% for Barack Obama in a Fox News poll 10 days ago). She is of course the killer fund-raiser of the race, with one of her contributors crowing this week that she'll raise more money than all the other candidates combined. So let's call her the likely Democratic nominee, even though Mr. Obama hasn't even announced yet. On the Republican side it's Giuliani time, with Fox News putting him at 34% among GOP voters and John McCain coming in second with 22%. He hasn't announced yet either, but this week he filed all the papers. So at the moment, and with keen awareness that not a vote has been cast, it is possible to say the state of New York is poised to become the home of both major-party presidential candidates.

This is not unprecedented, but it is unusual. It happened in 1904, when New York was the home of the hero of Oyster Bay, President Theodore Roosevelt, and reluctant Democratic nominee Alton Parker, a judge on New York's Court of Appeals, who carried only the solid South. It happened again in New York in 1944, when Teddy's cousin Franklin sought a fourth term against the bland and mustachioed Thomas Dewey, the New York district attorney unforgettably labeled by Teddy's daughter, the chilly and amusing Alice Roosevelt Longworth, "the little man on the wedding cake." In 1920 both the Democratic and Republican nominees were from Ohio; Sen. Warren Harding, who seemed boring but proved sprightly, landslided Democrat James Cox, a dreamy Wilsonian who thought America wished to hear more about the League of Nations. (Illinois was the first state to enjoy dual nominees when Republican Abraham Lincoln beat Stephen Douglas,

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KEYWORDS: 2008; electionpresident; gop; guiliani; hillary; noonan; republicans; rinos; sandpaperelection
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Nice background on two candidates from the same state.

I didn't quite realize how insular Peggy was--I knew New Yorkers were, but I didn't know Peggy had picked this up.

There's probably a less than 10% chance of a Rudy v. Hillary matchup. I think Rudy has about a 10% chance of getting the Republican nomination. I think Hillary has about a 90% chance of the democrat nomination.

As always, Peggy gets in some interesting lines. These are my favorites:

"In politics, in the world of political life, the proper attitude of a third wife is modesty.

Mrs. Clinton also has an interesting spouse."

And later she gets in another dig at Hillary:

"Her life has been lived within a motorcade. "

She calls her a limosine liberal in other terms.

1 posted on 02/11/2007 4:34:57 PM PST by Forgiven_Sinner
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To: Forgiven_Sinner

Come on Hunter team... Let's slime Peggy... she did say the "G" word.


2 posted on 02/11/2007 4:41:50 PM PST by nctexan
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To: Forgiven_Sinner
Noonan has become a BDS hate spewing idiot. Any column written by her should be ignored. She is a has been that is arrogant and vindictive. Her BDS kicked in after she was denied a speech writing for GW. After that occurred she has been spewing vile since. She is the same as Pelosi just on the other side of the aisle.
3 posted on 02/11/2007 4:42:06 PM PST by jrooney ( Hold your cards close.)
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"Noonan has become a BDS hate spewing idiot.

Wow... you were faster that I could have imagined!

4 posted on 02/11/2007 4:43:37 PM PST by nctexan
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To: nctexan
I used to have much respect for Noonan, until the last few years. Her writing has taken an obvious change for the worst with spewing vile and hatred. She comes across as arrogant, a lot like Pelosi. It sickens me because I wasted many years enjoying her work. The real Noonan has been exposed.

One of her articles over a year ago or so, complained that GW referenced God too much. Any republican or conservative that has a problem with God being referenced is a wolf wearing sheeps clothing.
5 posted on 02/11/2007 4:49:27 PM PST by jrooney ( Hold your cards close.)
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6 posted on 02/11/2007 4:52:53 PM PST by B4Ranch (You're in America now. Here we speak English.)
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To: jrooney
Noonan has become a BDS hate spewing idiot.

OK, what does BDS mean? It's new to me.

7 posted on 02/11/2007 4:55:51 PM PST by cayuga (A 9mm is a .45 set to Stun. NRA-Life)
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Bush Derangement Syndrome. It is the same thing that affects most on the left. It has been openly spoken about for several years as blind hatred for GW, whereas even his positives are ignored.
8 posted on 02/11/2007 4:57:59 PM PST by jrooney ( Hold your cards close.)
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To: cayuga

BDS=Bush Derangement syndrome.

Coined by Krauthammer, it describes how libs become deranged, hateful and vile when Bush becomes a subject of any conversation around them.


9 posted on 02/11/2007 5:05:52 PM PST by voletti (Awareness and Equanimity.)
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To: Forgiven_Sinner

"I didn't quite realize how insular Peggy was--I knew New Yorkers were, but I didn't know Peggy had picked this up."

Did you read the last paragraph? It sums up the article and makes the point of Hillary!s insulation. Peggy may be insular but she does write well and makes a good point there at the end.


10 posted on 02/11/2007 5:13:17 PM PST by DugwayDuke (A patriot will cast their vote in the manner most likely to deny power to democrats.)
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To: Forgiven_Sinner
I think Rudy has about a 10% chance of getting the Republican nomination.

Why do you think this? Who do think will take it and why?

I think Hillary has about a 90% chance of the democrat nomination.

I think that's good news for Republicans. I think if the Republicans picked Daffy Duck he could beat her.

11 posted on 02/11/2007 5:16:05 PM PST by Jim 0216
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To: Forgiven_Sinner

Hillary and Rudy.

Not my vote. Not on your life!


12 posted on 02/11/2007 5:16:46 PM PST by Reagan Man (Conservatives don't vote for liberals.)
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I think Rudy Guiliani has much better than a 10% chance of getting the Republican nomination. And if he hints at a VP selection like Duncan Hunter to balance the politics as well as the geography, his chance will improve that much more.

Then it comes down to political purity versus political reality.

13 posted on 02/11/2007 5:17:55 PM PST by Bernard (Immigration should be rare, safe and legal.)
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Is there a way to throw New York out of the Union, and let Rudy and Hillary fight it out for President of New York? There is no way that either of those two can represent the other states.


14 posted on 02/11/2007 5:22:44 PM PST by TommyDale (Who do you trust? An ex-mayor? Or the ranking member of the House Committee on Armed Services?)
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At this point Giuliani is the only electable candidate with the intelligence and will to win the war on terror.

What I despise about the Left is that they can't put aside their domestic agenda and unite against a common enemy. To them the biggest enemy lives right here at home.

Surpise! The morons on the Right have the same mind-set.

15 posted on 02/11/2007 5:25:24 PM PST by liberallarry
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To: liberallarry

Please back up your claim that ONLY Rudy is electable and can win the War on Terror. You can't. That is a preposterous claim.


16 posted on 02/11/2007 5:33:07 PM PST by TommyDale (Who do you trust? An ex-mayor? Or the ranking member of the House Committee on Armed Services?)
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To: Jim 0216

I just hope to be spared from a subway series.


17 posted on 02/11/2007 5:33:59 PM PST by BigSkyDream
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To: jrooney

There are secular right-wing conservatives; quite a lot are of libertarian persuasion, Being a bibler is not a sine qua non for being a conservative.


18 posted on 02/11/2007 5:56:02 PM PST by GSlob
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To: Jim 0216
I said: "I think Rudy has about a 10% chance of getting the Republican nomination."

You said: "Why do you think this? Who do think will take it and why?"

Rudy is pro-abortion, pro-gay, and anti-gun--all against the Republican party platform and the majority of the primary voters. The killer is the pro-abort position, since that is life and death issue to many Republican, primary voters. They will vote for anyone but Rudy.

Rudy can still get in if he repudiates his pro-abort position and picks an anti-abort VP and if the other candidates split the anti-abort vote.

I said: "I think Hillary has about a 90% chance of the democrat nomination."

You said: "I think that's good news for Republicans. I think if the Republicans picked Daffy Duck he could beat her."

You're assuming the electorate votes rationally. I lost faith in that in 1976 and in 1996.
19 posted on 02/11/2007 6:01:10 PM PST by Forgiven_Sinner (Here's an experiment for God's existence: Ask Him to contact you.)
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To: liberallarry

How would you feel if VP Cheney ran for Pres?

How would you feel if Jeb Bush ran for Pres?


20 posted on 02/11/2007 6:03:18 PM PST by Forgiven_Sinner (Here's an experiment for God's existence: Ask Him to contact you.)
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