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To: flashbunny

This is more than about Giuliani.

This is a test of their ability to redefine the entire SoCon movement.

Just look at how Rubin does it.

Now it's all about "fidelity," proven record or not.

If we can overlook Rudy, we will be expected to overlook everything for the rest of time. We will NEVER again see a Pro-Gun, pro-Life candidate, ever, and probably not in the Senate either, other than incumbents "grandfathered" in already.

It will not happen. I would rather lose the election - DO YOY HEAR ME JENNIFER RUBIN?!?!?!?!


10 posted on 02/15/2007 10:22:18 AM PST by TitansAFC (Pacifism is not peace; pacifists are not peacemakers.)
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To: TitansAFC

Well that is the concern.

Can conservatives support a candidate without redefining conservatism to fit that candiate?

Can we say vote for this guy, but let me be clear he's not a conservative?

It's an open question.


14 posted on 02/15/2007 10:24:51 AM PST by NeoCaveman (Hillary Hugo Chavez wants to "take those profits" away from you, for the common good)
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To: TitansAFC
I would rather lose the election

If it's Hillary vs Rudy, we lose the election either way. If Rudy wins, we lose the party to boot.

I will not, under any circumstances, vote for the death of my party.

37 posted on 02/15/2007 10:39:16 AM PST by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard ("and alllll the children are insane")
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To: TitansAFC
I would rather lose the election

Big surprise there. Call out Captain Obvious


45 posted on 02/15/2007 10:42:06 AM PST by CobaltBlue (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.)
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To: TitansAFC

"If we can overlook Rudy, we will be expected to overlook everything for the rest of time. We will NEVER again see a Pro-Gun, pro-Life candidate, ever, and probably not in the Senate either, other than incumbents "grandfathered" in already.

It will not happen. I would rather lose the election" -

This is pretty much what conservatives in Wyo, Atleast a great many Ive talked to are saying, if Rudy is our nominee.

They are also saying that even the dem party is moving to the RIGHT.
Reason being-If conservatives stayed home in 06-who elected the "blue dogs"?

So if its true that the dems (not liberals) and moderates are leaning right-wouldnt it be backwards for the GOP to run to the left with someone like Rudy? when the trend points to the right?

Doesnt seem like a good strategy to me!


72 posted on 02/15/2007 10:54:31 AM PST by OMalley (Just say NO to Rudy "Tootsie" Giuliani-GO Duncan Hunter 08...HI MOM:))
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