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To: dbehsman

100 years from now they will look at us as about as smart as the Papeocracy insisting Gallileo declare the earth as the center of the universe!


2 posted on 02/15/2007 6:33:33 PM PST by rawcatslyentist (This most beautiful system could only proceed from the dominion of an intelligent and powerful Being)
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To: rawcatslyentist

You know, that's basically what I told a buddy of mine at work this week. I told him that 500 years from now, people will look back on us and our time as a bunch of barbarians. The bigger joke is that 1000 years from now, those people 500 years from now will be looked down upon.

I find it disturbing that people in general today look back at society 100, 200, 300 or more years ago, and instantly come to the conclusion that those people in the past were mostly primative barbarians. While at the same time people today very quickly forget that the 20th century was the bloodiest century in recorded human history.


4 posted on 02/15/2007 6:43:37 PM PST by dbehsman (NRA Life member and loving every minute of it!)
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To: rawcatslyentist
Not to start an argument, but that's not what happened.

The Galileo Affair

11 posted on 02/15/2007 7:59:11 PM PST by Jotmo (I Had a Bad Experience With the CIA and Now I'm Gonna Show You My Feminine Side - Swirling Eddies)
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To: rawcatslyentist
100 years from now they will look at us as about as smart as the Papeocracy insisting Gallileo declare the earth as the center of the universe!

At the time of the Galileo controversy, a bishop and cardinal were funding Copernicus' research into heliocentrism.

Copernicus dedicated his most famous work, On the Revolution of the Celestial Orbs, in which he gave an excellent account of heliocentricity, to Pope Paul III, who he hoped would protect him from Protestant attacks.

Copernicus entrusted this work to Andreas Osiander, a Lutheran clergyman who knew that Protestant reaction to it would be negative, since Martin Luther seemed to have condemned the new theory, and, as a result, the book would be condemned. Osiander wrote a preface to the book, in which heliocentrism was presented only as a theory that would account for the movements of the planets more simply than geocentrism did—something Copernicus did not intend.
The (fallible) Church tribunal that condemned Galileo to house arrest objected to his insistence that the Church teach heliocentrism as dogmatic fact. Interestingly enough, the evidence that Galileo presented at the time, in favor of his theory, was scientifically erroneous.

Why Did the Catholic Church Condemn Galileo?

34 posted on 02/16/2007 4:24:36 AM PST by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: rawcatslyentist; dbehsman; Jotmo

Hate to burst everybody's bubble, but if you accept Einstein's Theory of General Relativity, then you have accepted that neither geocentricity nor heliocentricity can be proven and are merely two equivalent CS that can be used interchangeably.



"Can we formulate physical laws so that they are valid for
all CS [coordinate systems], not only those moving
uniformly, but also those moving quite arbitrarily,
relative to each other? […] The struggle, so violent in the early days of science, between the views of Ptolemy and
Copernicus would then be quite meaningless. Either CS
could be used with equal justification. The two sentences:
“the sun is at rest and the earth moves” or “the sun
moves and the earth is at rest” would simply mean two
different conventions concerning two different CS."

Einstein, A. and Infeld, L. (1938) The Evolution of Physics (New-York: Simon and Schuster), 1961.



Not everything you think is proven has actually been proven. Much more is the matter of belief that you suspect, as we see here.


79 posted on 02/19/2007 11:36:23 AM PST by GourmetDan
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