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To: All; Txsleuth; Bahbah; AliVeritas; Contessa1; Neverforget01; defconw; cibco; Fudd Fan; ...
Yup...that's the most pressing threat this country faces...gun control...

It isn't international terror...it isn't Al Qaeda...it's Iran or Syria....or even Hezbollah...

it's Rudy Giuliani who wants to take your guns away...

it isn't a border that leaks like a sieve...it isn't a federal government that will not enforce border security allowing OTMs to cross into our country...it's Rudy Giuliani who wants to take your guns away...

We are headed down the sh*tter as a nation and we're worried about Rudy Giuliani supporting gun control in 1997.

The House of Representatives debates a non-binding resolution against the POTUS plan during a time of war, Republicans in the Senate manage to avoid such a debate and vote, but we've got our knickers in a bunch because Rudy is trying to take your guns away.

I am fast reaching the point of despair for my country.

58 posted on 02/18/2007 11:33:17 AM PST by sofaman ("The American people are tired of liars and people who pretend to be something they're not.")
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To: sofaman
If ye are despaired sofaman, then stay on the sofa and let the adults go out and vote.

For the millionth time, it's NOT only about gun control, OR the WoT.

There are MANY issues that RINO-rudy is on the WRONG, LIBERAL side of.

He has ABSOLUTELY no business running ANYTHING more than a northeastern BLUEST-of-BLUE left-wing inner-city.

For the good of our party and our country, RINO-rudy needs to FORGET running for president of the United States.

If he insists on continuing to run, well then...

let him run as a LIBERAL DEMOCRAT or LIBERAL INDEPENDENT.

62 posted on 02/18/2007 11:42:13 AM PST by DocH (Gun-grabbers, you can HAVE my guns... lead first.)
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To: sofaman

All good points, sofadude, all very good points.


68 posted on 02/18/2007 12:12:38 PM PST by Bahbah (.Regev, Goldwasser & Shalit, we are praying for you.)
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To: sofaman
I am a single issue voter. My issue is the Second Amendment. So far McGiuliRomney CANNOT pass this test. I cannot and will not support ANYONE who is a gungrabber for any reason and if you read what follows, you'll know why. Ignorance will no longer be an excuse for you. This is not a game and the very future of the Republic is at stake, which is why it is NO TIME to keep playing political GAMES and electing RINOs just because they call themselves Pubbies. When you do that, YOU are responsible for the evil that they continue to perpetuate. Yes, there is a war going on. But the war on Americans by our own government is by far the biggest threat to this nation. Once we set our OWN house in order, we can then determine who is the ACTUAL foreign enemy and deal with him in short order. War on Terrorism? Who is "Terrorism?" Where is his homeland? Where does he train? No, this is just another phoney label to give government an open-ended opportunity coupled with a blank check and serious and severe erosion of our constitutionally-guaranteed liberties in the name of fighting a TACTIC, not a named and seen enemy. We need to pinpoint the location of the practitioners of this tactic (the REAL enemy) and serve notice to their sponsoring States: Put a stop to this, HANG the al Quaeda bunch (or just behead them) and never let them work from your country again or we will DECLARE WAR on YOU. No matter WHO these nations are, whether they be Saudi Arabia, Iran, Syria or whoever. That is the ONLY way to WIN.

Why Did it Have to be ... Guns?

by L. Neil Smith

lneil@lneilsmith.org

Over the past 30 years, I've been paid to write almost two million words, every one of which, sooner or later, came back to the issue of guns and gun-ownership. Naturally, I've thought about the issue a lot, and it has always determined the way I vote.

People accuse me of being a single-issue writer, a single- issue thinker, and a single- issue voter, but it isn't true. What I've chosen, in a world where there's never enough time and energy, is to focus on the one political issue which most clearly and unmistakably demonstrates what any politician—or political philosophy—is made of, right down to the creamy liquid center.

Make no mistake: all politicians—even those ostensibly on the side of guns and gun ownership—hate the issue and anyone, like me, who insists on bringing it up. They hate it because it's an X-ray machine. It's a Vulcan mind-meld. It's the ultimate test to which any politician—or political philosophy—can be put.

If a politician isn't perfectly comfortable with the idea of his average constituent, any man, woman, or responsible child, walking into a hardware store and paying cash—for any rifle, shotgun, handgun, machinegun, anything—without producing ID or signing one scrap of paper, he isn't your friend no matter what he tells you.

If he isn't genuinely enthusiastic about his average constituent stuffing that weapon into a purse or pocket or tucking it under a coat and walking home without asking anybody's permission, he's a four-flusher, no matter what he claims.

What his attitude—toward your ownership and use of weapons—conveys is his real attitude about you. And if he doesn't trust you, then why in the name of John Moses Browning should you trust him?

If he doesn't want you to have the means of defending your life, do you want him in a position to control it?

If he makes excuses about obeying a law he's sworn to uphold and defend—the highest law of the land, the Bill of Rights—do you want to entrust him with anything?

If he ignores you, sneers at you, complains about you, or defames you, if he calls you names only he thinks are evil—like "Constitutionalist"—when you insist that he account for himself, hasn't he betrayed his oath, isn't he unfit to hold office, and doesn't he really belong in jail?

Sure, these are all leading questions. They're the questions that led me to the issue of guns and gun ownership as the clearest and most unmistakable demonstration of what any given politician—or political philosophy—is really made of.

He may lecture you about the dangerous weirdos out there who shouldn't have a gun—but what does that have to do with you? Why in the name of John Moses Browning should you be made to suffer for the misdeeds of others? Didn't you lay aside the infantile notion of group punishment when you left public school—or the military? Isn't it an essentially European notion, anyway—Prussian, maybe—and certainly not what America was supposed to be all about?

And if there are dangerous weirdos out there, does it make sense to deprive you of the means of protecting yourself from them? Forget about those other people, those dangerous weirdos, this is about you, and it has been, all along.

Try it yourself: if a politician won't trust you, why should you trust him? If he's a man—and you're not—what does his lack of trust tell you about his real attitude toward women? If "he" happens to be a woman, what makes her so perverse that she's eager to render her fellow women helpless on the mean and seedy streets her policies helped create? Should you believe her when she says she wants to help you by imposing some infantile group health care program on you at the point of the kind of gun she doesn't want you to have?

On the other hand—or the other party—should you believe anything politicians say who claim they stand for freedom, but drag their feet and make excuses about repealing limits on your right to own and carry weapons? What does this tell you about their real motives for ignoring voters and ramming through one infantile group trade agreement after another with other countries?

Makes voting simpler, doesn't it? You don't have to study every issue—health care, international trade—all you have to do is use this X-ray machine, this Vulcan mind-meld, to get beyond their empty words and find out how politicians really feel. About you. And that, of course, is why they hate it.

And that's why I'm accused of being a single-issue writer, thinker, and voter.

But it isn't true, is it?

Permission to redistribute this article is herewith granted by the author—provided that it is reproduced unedited, in its entirety, and appropriate credit given.

71 posted on 02/18/2007 12:26:38 PM PST by dcwusmc (We need to make government so small that it can be drowned in a bathtub.)
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To: sofaman
Yup...that's the most pressing threat this country faces...gun control...

It is a threat and on many levels. It takes away more personal freedom from law-abiding citizens and it also wastes government resources by going after imaginary crimes rather than focusing on real criminals. If the Clinton administration had spent half the effort going after terrorists it did going after "assault weapons" and the non-existent gunshow loophole, 9/11 might have been avoided. For ten years Canada has spent billions of dollars on a useless gun registry that has not helped to catch one criminal. I despair for my country in that the best the two parties might be able to do is offer Hillary and Rudy. The only faint hope I have is that Rudy might promote some conservative judges. Any time the government uses crime or terrorism as an excuse to take away citizens' rights while at the same time ignoring criminals and terrorists, yes, it is a big deal.

80 posted on 02/18/2007 12:55:48 PM PST by Wilhelm Tell (True or False? This is not a tag line.)
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To: sofaman

I just now got your ping to this thread, sofa.

Amazing isn't it??

Dang...the "highest building"....in 1997.

The "highest building" in 1992, 2001...and looking at the Sears Tower in Chicago.

I just found this ping....after strolling through the thread that Jim Robinson started tonight...about religion in America vs. Rudy....

I couldn't even finish reading the thread, let alone post on it...very vitriolic.

And then I read YOUR post here..from a little after 1:00 this afternoon my time.

Ironic...and sad.

Texas has a conceal carry law.....why would I worry about Rudy taking that away?? That isn't going to happen by HIM...but, a Hillary Administration???

One of the first WTC bombing suspects lived in my city...worked here...put his kids in school here...went to mosque here....

I don't fear Rudy....


117 posted on 02/18/2007 5:58:29 PM PST by Txsleuth
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To: sofaman
Have I told you lately........ that I love you........
129 posted on 02/19/2007 6:40:23 AM PST by defconw ( Mrs. Cibco in 68 days! PP Loves LL)
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