Rudy Giuliani: Fake Conservative

CBS News ^ | 6 February 2007 | Terence P. Jeffrey

[Spiff]

Rudy Giuliani: Fake Conservative

National Review: Liberal Views On Abortion, Gay Rights Will Doom Giuliani In GOP Primaries

"Murder and graffiti are two vastly different crimes," Rudy Giuliani once said. "But they are part of the same continuum, and a climate that tolerates one is more likely to tolerate the other."

Good point, Rudy.

Now, what about a climate — not to mention a Republican presidential candidate — that not only tolerates, but allows unelected judges to legalize the practice of delivering a child until only its head remains within its mother's womb so the child can be killed by sucking out its brains?

What about a climate where same-sex couples are given the same legal status as married couples, whether the resulting arrangements are candidly called "same-sex marriages," or are semantically papered-over with terms such as "civil unions" or "domestic partnerships"?

Apply the Giuliani Continuum to fundamental issues such as marriage and the right to life, and where does it lead?

Not where conservatives want America to be.

Rudy Giuliani's observation about the "continuum" running from graffiti to murder was quoted in a piece in the winter edition of City Journal by Steven Malanga. The title of Malanga's piece neatly encapsulates his argument: "Yes, Rudy is a Conservative — and an electable one at that."

I believe Malanga is wrong on both counts. Rudy is neither conservative, nor electable — at least, not as a Republican presidential candidate.

As Malanga seems to define it, a politician dedicated to good police work and free-market economics qualifies as a conservative. "Far from being a liberal," Malanga writes of Giuliani, "he ran New York with a conservative's priorities: Government exists above all to keep people safe in their homes and in the streets, he said, not to redistribute income, run a welfare state, or perform social engineering. The private economy, not government, creates opportunity, he argued; government should just deliver basic services well and then get out of the private sector's way."

But that's not enough. While advocating law and order, self-reliance, and capitalism is laudable, it does not entitle a politician to a free pass for advocating other causes that are deeply destructive of American society.

While it is always wrong to take an innocent human life — whether on a New York sidewalk or in a mother's womb — Giuliani is highly selective in applying this principle. In 1999, when he was pondering a run for the U.S. Senate, he was asked whether he supported banning partial-birth abortion. "No, I have not supported that," he said, "and I don't see my position on that changing."

"I'm pro-gay rights," he also said. Indeed, his position is so radical in this area that as New York City mayor he promoted a city ordinance that removed the distinctions in municipal law between married and unmarried couples, regardless of their gender.

"What it really is doing is preventing discrimination against people who have different sexual orientations, or make different preferences in which they want to lead their lives," Giuliani said, explaining the ordinance to The New York Times. "Domestic partnerships not only affect gays and lesbians, but they also affect heterosexuals who choose to lead their lives in different ways."

In other words, preserving a legal order that prefers traditional marriage and traditional families is "discrimination."

Giuliani's positions on abortion and marriage disqualify him as a conservative because they annihilate the link between the natural law and man-made laws. Indeed, they use man-made law to promote and protect acts that violate the natural law.

Given his argument that there is a "continuum" between graffiti and murder, you would think that Giuliani would understand the importance of the link between the natural law and the laws of New York City, let alone the laws of the United States. At the heart of Rudy's "continuum" argument, is the realization that when society refuses to enforce a just law it teaches people to disrespect the moral principles underlying just laws.

The late Russell Kirk argued in The Conservative Mind that the first canon of conservatism is "[b]elief in a transcendent order, or body of natural law, which rules society as well as conscience. Political problems, at bottom, are religious and moral problems. … True politics is the art of apprehending and applying the Justice which ought to prevail in a community of souls."

It is simply not justice to take the life of an unborn child. Nor is it justice to codify same-sex relationships so that, by design of the state itself, a child can be denied a mother or a father from birth, which is one thing legalized same-sex unions would do.

By advocating abortion on demand and same-sex unions, Rudy is doing something far more egregious than, say, defacing a New York subway train. He is defacing the institution that forms the foundation of human civilization.

That is not conservative.

Rudy will not win the Republican nomination because enough of the people who vote in Republican caucuses and primaries still respect life and marriage, and are not ready to give up on them — or on the Republican party as an agent for protecting them.

[Spiff]

Rudy Giuliani Supports Partial Birth Abortion...Republicans Don't.

[GEORGE] WILL: Is your support of partial birth abortion firm?
Mayor GIULIANI: All of my positions are firm. I have strong viewpoints. I express them. And I--I do not think that it makes sense to be changing your position....
ABC News February 6, 2000

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TUCHMAN: Giuliani was then asked whether he supports a ban on what critics call partial-birth abortions, something Bush strongly supports.
GIULIANI: No, I have not supported that, and I don't see my position on that changing.
- CNN December 2, 1999

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BLITZER: If you were in the Senate and [President Clinton] vetoed, once again, the [ban on the] so-called partial-birth abortion procedure, you would vote against sustaining that against the -- in favor of the veto in other words, you would support the president on that.
GIULIANI: Yes. I said then that I support him, so I have no reason to change my mind about it.
BLITZER: All right. So the bottom line is that on a lot of these very sensitive issues whether on guns, abortion, patients' bill of rights, taxes, you are more in line with the president and by association, with Mrs. Clinton, than you are against them.
- CNN February 6, 2000

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MR. RUSSERT: A banning of late-term abortions, so-called partial-birth abortions--you're against that?

MAYOR GIULIANI: I'm against it in New York, because in New York...

MR. RUSSERT: Well, if you were a senator, would you vote with the president or against the president? [Note: President Clinton was in office in 2000]

MAYOR GIULIANI: I would vote to preserve the option for women. I think that choice is a very difficult one. It's a very, very--it's one in which people of conscious have very, very different opinions. I think the better thing for America to do is to leave that choice to the woman, because it affects her probably more than anyone else....

MR. RUSSERT: So you won't change your view on late-term abortion in order to get the Conservative Party endorsement?

MAYOR GIULIANI: It isn't just that. We shouldn't limit this to one issue. I'm generally not going to change my views
- NBC Meet the Press, February 6, 2000

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***Note: the version of the Partial Birth Abortion Ban that Giuliani opposed in 2000, that he said he supported Bill Clinton in vetoing the Republican-controlled Congress's legislation, contained the exception for the life of the mother that Rudy is now trying to pretend is a prerequisite for his support of it.

[kinoxi]

You don't like Rudy.

[Spiff]

(((STOP RUDY PING)))

Giuliani/Clinton/Dem vs. GOP Platform Comparison
Issue	Giuliani	Clinton	Dem Platform	GOP Platform
Abortion on Demand	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Partial Birth Abortion	Supports Opposed NY ban	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Roe v. Wade	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Taxpayer Funded Abortions	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Embryonic Stem Cell Research	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Federal Marriage Amendment	Opposes	Opposes	Opposes Defined at state level	Supports
Gay Domestic Partnership/ Civil Unions	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Openly Gay Military	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Defense of Marriage Act	Opposes	Opposes	Opposes	Supports
Amnesty for Illegal Aliens	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Special Path to Citizenship for Illegal Aliens	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Tough Penalties for Employers of Illegal Aliens	Opposes	Opposes	Opposes	Supports
Sanctuary Cities/ Ignoring Immigration Law	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Protecting 2nd Amendment	Opposes	Opposes	Opposes Supports bans	Supports
Confiscating Guns	Supports Confiscated as mayor. Even bragged.	Supports	Supports Supports bans	Opposes
'Assault' Weapons Ban	Supports	Supports	Supports
Frivolous Lawsuits Against Gun Makers	Supports Filed One Himself	Supports		Opposes
Gun Registration/Licenses	Supports	Supports		Opposes
War in Afghanistan	Supports	Supports Voted for it	Supports	Supports
War in Iraq	Supports	Supports Voted for it	Supports Weak support	Supports
Patriot Act	Supports	Supports Voted for it 2001 & 2006	Opposes	Supports

"Most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine." - Rudy Giuliani

To: Spiff

Looks pretty accurate to me.

230 posted on 02/10/2007 2:56:00 AM PST by Jim Robinson ("Electable" gave us Ford, Dole, Arnie. Voting for the "unelectable" right-wing kook gave us Ronnie.)

[Spiff]

You don't like Rudy.

I don't like liberals. Especially liberals who seek to hijack the Republican Party.

[David Isaac]

"And heres to you, Mr. Robinson."

A nail is seldom hit on the head as well as the one hit by Jim R., in that post.

[kinoxi]

I think he would make an effective VP.

[WKB]

BTTT and Thanks to Spiff,JR and others for keeping
the Truth about Rino Rudy on the front page.
NOBODY no matter how much SPAM they produce has convinced
me that Rino Rudy is the ONLY person in America
than can beat Hilary.
Interesting how far one RR is from the other.

[Types_with_Fist]

Is there a downloadable version of that graphic? I'd like to save and use it if possible.

[freedomfiter2]

"Murder and graffiti are two vastly different crimes," Rudy Giuliani once said. "But they are part of the same continuum, and a climate that tolerates one is more likely to tolerate the other."

The legalization of abortion and the Nazi holocaust are part of the same continuum. Where does that put Rudy. No pro-choice candidate is ever fit to be President. Changing your stated position to run for office doesn't change your lack of ethics.

[Fierce Allegiance]

You don't like Rudy.

Conservatives don't like Rudy.

[tkathy]

Rudy is a fiscal conservative, like countless others who vote republican.

[Hydroshock]

I know I will not vote for Rino Rudy.

[Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit]

Can someone explain to me why a Guiliani Presidency will be more damaging to the country than a Clinton Presidency?

[Hydroshock]

He is also a flaming liberal. Republicans do not vote for that.

[kinoxi]

He's got name recognition. I like him as VP.

[Hydroshock]

He has an r by his name. (sarcasm off)

[Vaquero]

I like Rudy....he should be Mayor of NY....they need him there....or he would make a much better Senator from NY than we have now.....

...but his elitist anti-gun, pro-abortion, attitude has no place as the Republican candidate for president....

....maybe he should go back to being a Democrat...which is what he is.

[Spiff]

Is there a downloadable version of that graphic? I'd like to save and use it if possible.

Assuming you're using Internet Explorer - just right-click on it and select "Save Picture as...". It's actually two graphics though. The photo of Giuliani with the thumbs up is just added right after the first graphic. If you want, I can make you a PDF of this in a flyer format if that would be useful to you.

The website that it came from is the highly respectable National Right to Life Committee at www.nrlc.org. They have an amazing amount of information about abortion and an excellent legislative action center.

[Types_with_Fist]

Can someone explain to me why a Guiliani Presidency will be more damaging to the country than a Clinton Presidency?

Is that what we're shooting for here? Someone who is no more damaging than the Clintons?

[noname07718]

How about Repubs who attempt to hijack the Republican party (RINOS).

[noname07718]

You hit the nail with that question.

[Types_with_Fist]

The graphic I meant is the "supports, opposes" one. I tried right-clicking but it apparently isn't downloadable.

[Spiff]

Rudy is a fiscal conservative, like countless others who vote republican.

Giuliani isn't a fiscal liberal, if that's what you mean. But, even so, that doesn't excuse the rest liberal mindset. If there was a fiscal conservative running on the Democrat side, would you vote for him over a social conservative on the Republican side? I seek a candidate who is both fiscal conservative AND a social conservative. I'd even settle for one who is somewhat moderate in either area. Giuliani is far from moderate when it comes to social issues. He's as liberal as any Democrat in that respect and is an unacceptable candidate.

[sergeantdave]

"...has convinced me that Rino Rudy is the ONLY person in America than can beat Hilary."

A poll last week showed that Hillary beats Rudy in his home state of New York by a landslide.

Here's a fact: Liberals will vote for liberals over Republicans.

[TommyDale]

"Can someone explain to me why a Guiliani Presidency will be more damaging to the country than a Clinton Presidency?"

Can someone explain why either one would be good for America?

[tkathy]

Rudy is an RR (Real Republican), a tough as nails can do fiscal conservative, libertarian state's rights on social issues.

[WKB]

Is there a downloadable version of that graphic?



I copied, cut and pasted it into an email and sent it
to everyone in my address book.

[mkjessup]

I think he would make an effective VP

In other words you would prefer to hold the bottle of poison a few inches from the mouth of our Constitutional Republic rather than pour it down our throat immediately?

No thank you.

[Spiff]

Can someone explain to me why a Guiliani Presidency will be more damaging to the country than a Clinton Presidency?

Can someone explain to me why this argument is being made during the Primary Election? This question will be relevant in the general election if Giuliani is nominated (God forbid) and people have to go out and beg conservatives to come out and vote for him to keep Clinton out of the White House. Right now we're in the Primary and there is a whole stable of more acceptable candidates.

[Types_with_Fist]

Hmmm. Must be operational error here. I can't copy or download it.

[Hydroshock]

NO he is a liberal gun grabber, pro abortion, pro gay, Rino. He will not ever get my vote.

[WKB]

Hillary beats Rudy in his home state of New York by a landslide.



And it's not even HER homes tate.

[mkjessup]

Rudy is a fiscal conservative, like countless others who vote republican.

A fiscal conservative who has no problem with infanticide has no business being in the Republican Party. Rudy is a closet 'Rat and the sooner everyone wakes up and realizes it, the better.

[Spiff]

The graphic I meant is the "supports, opposes" one. I tried right-clicking but it apparently isn't downloadable.

That one's a little more tricky. It's a table, not a graphic. And it needs to be in a downloadable PDF flyer format too. I'll work on that and ping you when I complete it.

[Fawn]

Rudy on H & C Part 1

Rudy on H & C Part 2

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- Rudy tossed Arafat out of a city sponsored celebrations saying, "I would rather not have someone who has been implicated in the murders of Americans there, if I have the discretion not to have him there”.
- Rudy did the same to Fidel Castro.
- When a Saudi prince donated millions to 9/11 relief efforts and later suggested that United States policy in the Middle East may have been partially responsible for the attacks, Rudy returned the money.
- Rudy refused to meet with racial arsonist Al Sharpton.
- Rudy as mayor was strong on law and order. Rudy said that "government exists above all to keep people safe in their homes and in the streets, not to redistribute income, run a welfare state, or perform social engineering". And Rudy backed this all up by going after both quality-of-life crimes and serious crimes. Total crime went down by some 64 percent during the Giuliani years, and murder went down 67 percent. Auto thefts went down on average about 80,000 per year.
- Rudy supported the police when the police had to enter and deal with Muslims at a mosque.
- Rudy closed down many porn shops across the city and specifically shutdown porn shops in residential neighborhoods.
- Rudy went after both low level and high level drug dealers for the first time in the cities history.
- Rudy had zero tolerance for quality of life crimes such as squeegee extortionists, graffiti vandals, panhandling and public urination.
- Rudy launched a welfare revolution, removing illegal recipients, cutting the rolls by 20% the first year alone and dropping the welfare rolls by 600,000 over the course of his plan.
- Rudy launched a work requirement program for the remaining welfare recipients. the NY Times called it slavery.
- Rudy constantly spoke out against illegitimacy and fatherless families. One of many things that Rudy said on the subject was the following: " If you wanted a social program that would really save these kids, . I guess the social program would be called fatherhood.
" - Rudy objected to affirmative action. Rudy ended the cities set-aside program for minority contractors.
- Rudy rejected the idea of lowering the job requirement standards for minorities and woman. - Rudy said. "it was unfair to expect middle-class kids to work their way through college by holding down jobs and going to classes while exempting students on welfare from working.
" - Rudy reformed the public school system and forced out liberal chancellors who wouldn't install his reforms.
- Rudy tried to privatize 5 of the cities worst public schools.
- Rudy was for school vouchers Rudy said, "The whole notion of choice is really about more freedom for people, rather than being subjugated by a government system that says you have no choice about the education of your child,".
- Rudy fought against public money for an art display that defiled Christ and he fought against other obscene so-called works of art.
- Rudy played hardball with city unions winning concessions from city workers that other mayors had failed to do.
- Rudy strong armed state leaders to merge the cities Housing Police and Transit Police into the NYPD saving the city hundreds of millions. Rudy did this by threatening to fire every housing and transit officer and rehire each as a city cop if legislative leaders did not go along.
- Rudy did the same with the city’s garbageman, many of whom worked only half days because the department was so overstaffed with union jobs. Rudy won $300 million in savings from them by threatening to contract out trash collection to private companies.
- Rudy cut or killed 23 levies and taxes, saving taxpayers $9.8 billion during his terms.
- Rudy cut NYC's top income-tax rate by 20.6%.
- Local NYC taxes on a family of four dropped 23.7% during Rudy's term.
- Rudy cut the commercial-rent tax.
- Rudy cut sales taxes, including taxes on clothing.
- Rudy cut the marriage penalty on taxpaying couples.
- Rudy cut taxes on commercial rents everywhere outside of Manhattan’s major business districts, and various taxes on small businesses and self-employed New Yorkers.
- Rudy's expenditure growth averaged 2.9% annually, while local inflation between January 1994 and December 2001 averaged 3.6%.
- Rudy privatized municipal assets.
- Rudy sold WNYC radio for $20 million, WNYC-TV for $207 million, and NYC's share of the U.N. Plaza Hotel for $85 million.
- Rudy divested the City from the New York Coliseum adding $345 million to city coffers.
- Rudy let the private Central Park Conservancy manage Central Park.
- Rudy cut NYC's hotel tax from 6% to 5%. Consequently, hotel tax revenues increased from $135 million in Fiscal Year 1995 to $239 million in FY 2001.
- When asked if Rudy would raise taxes after 9/11 Rudy said that would be "a dumb, stupid, idiotic, and moronic thing to do.
" - A quote from Rudy on his economic philosophy: “City government should not and cannot create jobs through government planning. The best it can do, and what it has a responsibility to do, is to deal with its own finances first, to create a solid budgetary foundation that allows businesses to move the economy forward on the strength of their energy and ideas. After all, businesses are and have always been the backbone of New York City.
” - Construction permits increased by more than 50% in the city per year during Rudy's terms.
- Tourism increased 50% in the city per year during Rudy's terms.
- City jobs increased by 430,000 to an all time high of 3.72 million during Rudy's terms.
- City personal income increased 50% during Rudy's terms.
- The percentage income that city residence paid in taxes declined from 8.8 to 7.3 percent during Rudy's terms.
- Unemployment in the city went form 10.3% to 5.1% during Rudy's terms.
- Rudy was an outstanding leader during the 9/11 crisis.
- Rudy has been a strong supporting in our WOT including supporting the mission in Iraq.
- Rudy was chosen by Ronald Reagan in 1981 as an Associate Attorney General placing him in the third highest position in the Reagan's DOJ.
- In 1983, Rudy was appointed by Reagan to be U.S. Attorney for the SD of NY. In that position, Rudy amassed 4,152 convictions including the heads of NY's so-called "Five Families". Rudy also prosecuted terrorists and illegal immigrants.

[Types_with_Fist]

Cool. Thanks for that. The graphic says it all to me.

[mkjessup]

Rudy a 'real Republican'?

Don't make me laugh. See the table in post #3 and try and say that with a straight face.

[mkjessup]

Congratulations, the Rudy Campaign will buy you a coffee later today.

Which only proves they get what they pay for.

[upchuck]

Just for grins, let's assume that Rudy, for whatever reason, completely bows out of the 2008 race, including as VP.

And let's assume The Hildabeaste lies and cheats her way to the Donk nomination.

Which currently declared candidate do you think can beat The 'beaste?

[freedomfiter2]

Can someone explain to me why a Guiliani Presidency will be more damaging to the country than a Clinton Presidency?


Sure, with a liberal GOP President, all the liberal Democrats and most of the Republicans will support the left leaning initiatives he will push. With a liberal Democrat in office, virtually all the GOP and some of the Democrats will oppose such liberalism. It's all about party politics and how they play out in the real world.

[Delta 21]

The leftists can be pleased with themselves, as I am sure they are, for dragging America into their cesspool where voting for this RINO makes some Republicans feel real good about not voting for Hillery.

If American politics is this screwed up, can you imagine politics in any other country on the planet ? !! ?

What an embarrassing choice to have to make on election day.

[wolfcreek]

"You don't like Rudy."


You can count me in, as well. (although I don't dislike the man) Rudy is bad for Conservatism and America.

[WKB]

Is your FR email address turned on
or FRmail me an email address and
I will try to send you a copy.

[Hydroshock]

On President Bill Clinton: Shortly before his last-minute endorsement of Bob Dole in the 1996 presidential election, Giuliani told the Post's Jack Newfield that "most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine." -Rudy! An Investigative Biography of Rudolph Giuliani, Wayne Barrett.


The Real Rudy Giuliani:

From Human Events:

Rudy's Strong Pro-Abortion Stance

As these comments from a 1989 conversation with Phil Donahue show, Rudy Giuliani is staunchly in favor of abortion:

"I've said that I'll uphold a woman's right of choice, that I will fund abortion so that a poor woman is not deprived of a right that others can exercise, and that I would oppose going back to a day in which abortions were illegal.

I do that in spite of my own personal reservations. I have a daughter now; if a close relative or a daughter were pregnant, I would give my personal advice, my religious and moral views ...

Donahue: Which would be to continue the pregnancy.

Giuliani: Which would be that I would help her with taking care of the baby. But if the ultimate choice of the woman - my daughter or any other woman - would be that in this particular circumstance [if she had] to have an abortion, I'd support that. I'd give my daughter the money for it."

Worse yet, Giuliani even supports partial birth abortion:

"I'm pro-choice. I'm pro-gay rights,Giuliani said. He was then asked whether he supports a ban on what critics call partial-birth abortions. "No, I have not supported that, and I don't see my position on that changing," he responded." -- CNN.com, "Inside Politics" Dec 2, 1999

It's bad enough that Rudy is so adamantly pro-abortion, but consider what that could mean when it comes time to select Supreme Court Justices. Does the description of Giuliani that you've just read make you think he's going to select an originalist like Clarence Thomas, who would vote to overturn Roe v. Wade -- or does it make you think he would prefer justices like Sandra Day O'Connor and Anthony Kennedy who'd leave Roe v. Wade in place?

Rudy's abortion stance is bad news for conservatives who are pro-life or who are concerned about getting originalist judges on the Supreme Court.

An Anti-Second Amendment Candidate

In the last couple of election cycles, 2nd Amendment issues have moved to the back burner mainly because even Democratic candidates have learned that being tagged with the "gun grabber" label is political poison.

Unfortunately, Rudy Giuliani is a proponent of gun control who supported the Brady Bill and the Assault Weapon Ban.

Do Republicans really want to abandon their strong 2nd Amendment stance by selecting a pro-gun control nominee?

Soft on Gay Marriage

Other than tax cuts, the biggest domestic issue of the 2004 election was President Bush's support of a Constitutional Amendment to define marriage as being between a man and a woman. Unfortunately, Rudy Giuliani has taken a "Kerryesque" position on gay marriage.

Although Rudy, like John Kerry, has said that marriage should remain between a man and a woman, he also supports civil unions, "marched in gay-pride parades" ...dressed up in drag on national television for a skit on Saturday Night Live (and moved in with a) wealthy gay couple" after his divorce. He also very vocally opposed running on a gay marriage amendment:

His thoughts on the gay-marriage amendment? "I don't think you should run a campaign on this issue," he told the Daily News earlier this month. "I think it would be a mistake for anybody to run a campaign on it -- the Democrats, the president, or anybody else."

Here's more from the New York Daily News:

"Rudy Giuliani came out yesterday against President Bush's call for a ban on gay marriage.

The former mayor, who Vice President Cheney joked the other night is after his job, vigorously defended the President on his post-9/11 leadership but made clear he disagrees with Bush's proposal to rewrite the Constitution to outlaw gays and lesbians from tying the knot.

"I don't think it's ripe for decision at this point," he said on NBC's "Meet the Press."

"I certainly wouldn't support [a ban] at this time," added Giuliani..."

Although Rudy may grudgingly say he doesn't support gay marriage (and it would be political suicide for him to do otherwise), where he really stands on the issue is an open question.

Pro-Illegal Immigration

As Tom Bevan of RealClearPolitics has pointed out, Rudy is an adherent of the same approach to illegal immigration that John McCain, Ted Kennedy, George Bush, and Harry Reid have championed:

"While McCain has taken heat for his support of comprehensive immigration reform, Rudy is every bit as pro-immigration as McCain - if not more so. On the O'Reilly Factor last week Giuliani argued for a "practical approach" to immigration and cited his efforts as Mayor of New York City to "regularize" illegal immigrants by providing them with access to city services like public education to "make their lives reasonable." Giuliani did say that "a tremendous amount of money should be put into the physical security" needed to stop the flow of illegal immigrants coming across the border, but his overall position on immigration is essentially indistinguishable from McCain's."

That's bad enough. But, as Michelle Malkin has revealed, under Giuliani, New York was an illegal alien sanctuary and "America's Mayor" actually sued the federal government in an effort to keep New York City employees from having to cooperate with the INS:

"When Congress enacted immigration reform laws that forbade local governments from barring employees from cooperating with the INS, Mayor Rudy Giuliani filed suit against the feds in 1997. He was rebuffed by two lower courts, which ruled that the sanctuary order amounted to special treatment for illegal aliens and were nothing more than an unlawful effort to flaunt federal enforcement efforts against illegal aliens. In January 2000, the Supreme Court rejected his appeal, but Giuliani vowed to ignore the law."

If you agree with the way that Nancy Pelosi and Company deal with illegal immigration, then you'll find the way that Rudy Giuliani tackles the issue to be right down your alley.

CLICK HERE TO READ MORE OF RUDY GIULIANI'S LEFT-WING POLITICAL POSITIONS

[kinoxi]

My pick is Hunter.

[Hydroshock]

According to Ann Couter (sp?) almost any of the republicans mentioned but Rino Rudy can beat Hitlary. He reasoning is he is so liberal he will spli tthe party.

[Fawn]

Please watch the interview I posted links too with Sean Hannity. Rudy talks about how he feels about abortion and many things.

[mkjessup]

Mine too. Feel free to plagiarize my tagline FRiend.

[Types_with_Fist]

Yes. My mail is on. And thank you!

[RetSignman]

I clicked the upper left corner then, holding shift key clicked the lower right of graphic, it will highlight the whole graphic, click file..print..print selected..done.