Six Reasons the Plame Episode is a Farce

RussP.us ^ | 2007-02-03 | Russ Paielli

[Gator113]

Marked for later read.

[UCANSEE2]

Well, first it is recorded history that J. Wilson went twice to Niger as a spy for the CIA.
Second, it is on record that he owns a company under his name.

It is his own statement that he was going there on company business.

It is on record that his company was a broker for commodities sales from Niger. And Joe personally handled the big deals involving the President of Niger. That is why he was going to Niger in the first place, each time.

The only large export Niger has is yellowcake ore.

It is fact that Saddam's stock of yellowcake ore went up significantly each time Joe Wilson went to Niger to 'spy'.

Google the name of his company, The President of Niger, yellowcake ore. It's all there.

Ask yourself, or anyone else. Why was Joe going to Niger in the first place? Remember that his wife suggested him to the head of her department to be used as a spy because he had contacts there, some from his diplomatic ties, and he was going anyway.

Why? It wasn't to go fishing.

[UCANSEE2]

P.S.
Find out who Joe's first wife was, and who she worked for.
Then think back about the forged document that was supposed to fool this administration. It was supposed to prove that Niger did sell ore to Saddam, and get the President to use it as proof. Then embarrass him when it's veracity was overturned.

But, the Prez didn't bite.
Guess who was part of arranging that 'fake'???
Guess who was mad that the big fish didn't bite?

Guess who wanted to protect the info that the sales did go on, but not directly to Saddam. (The ore rebounded through Libya)

So, when you are guilty, what do you do??? You attack those who are not guilty. That way they are on the defense, instead of the offense.

DEMO TACTIC A#1

[CutePuppy]

You mean his second wife, Jacqueline, a French "diplomat" (another word for "spy" in France)?

http://www.americanthinker.com/printpage/?url=http://www.americanthinker.com/2005/11/joseph_wilson_iv_the_french_co.html

[lugsoul]

Quick question, Russ - with regard to Plame's job (desk job for 'several years') and the assertion that she drove to Langley every day to her job, can you point to any evidence of this or are you merely relying on the unsourced assertions of commentators?

Because if there is evidence of this, I'd like to see it. I've seen it claimed a lot, but not backed up.

[UCANSEE2]

Thank you for the correction.
His second wife.

You are absolutely correct.

[RussP]

"Quick question, Russ - with regard to Plame's job (desk job for 'several years') and the assertion that she drove to Langley every day to her job, can you point to any evidence of this or are you merely relying on the unsourced assertions of commentators?"

OK, I'll be honest. I can't remember where I got that particular information. And I just tried a quick Google search, and I can't find much on it right now.

As far as I know, it is widely known that Plame had worked at CIA headquarters for some time. Perhaps I shouldn't have written that she drove there "every day," but I am pretty sure that she drove there "routinely." I'll correct my article to reflect that distinction.

According to Wikipedia, I believe it was Joe Wilson's own book that said Plame had not worked overseas since 1997, at least not on an extended basis.

And she had certainly not been "deep undercover" for at least that long if ever.

If you find more specific information, please keep me posted.

[RussP]

I agree that the Plame thing turned out to be a big disappointment for Bush haters, but remember that Leftist myths never die. They just go into perpetual syndicated reruns on ABC and MSNBC.

[CutePuppy]

RussP, there are a lot of references on the Web about this (not just somebody saying it), but here's a short one from those who should know :

http://kerfuffles.blogsome.com/2005/10/25/langleys-war-plan/

Also, if she were a NOC, Fitz wouldn't go to the lengths he went to hide that, even from the judge, apparently, to justify his "investigation". He always referred to her as "classified", not "covert" which is specific to the statute, and we know that she had a desk job as "analyst" at CPD in CIA, she also married Joe Wilson in 1998 and had twins - hardly leading a life of jet-setter. There were also no other "covers" disclosed, other than "non-cover" at Brewster-Jennings, which I posted about in #37.

[RussP]

That's all very interesting. I'll look into it.

Since you know so much about this thing, do you know when Plame started working openly at CIA headquarters? I did a quick Google search, but I can't seem to find that particular information.

[RussP]

Here is an interesting quote from your link:

"A former CIA covert agent who supervised Mrs. Plame early in her career yesterday took issue with her identification as an “undercover agent,” saying that she worked for more than five years at the agency’s headquarters in Langley and that most of her neighbors and friends knew that she was a CIA employee."

Unfortunately, but I don't see any attribution or reference. Where did this come from?

[lugsoul]

Russ - I can't remember that guy's name, but I remember when he came forward - he did not work at CIA at all during the time he says Plame was working @ hq. He retired like in the early-mid 90s.

The 'she was not covert' argument requires one to believe that the CIA made a criminal referral with no basis, that DOJ opened an investigation with no basis, appointed a special prosecutor to pursue a case with no basis, maintained a GJ investigation with no basis, etc. Could be, but Occam's Razor would argue against this line of thinking.

[CutePuppy]

“She made no bones about the fact that she was an agency employee and her husband was a diplomat,” Fred Rustmann, a covert agent from 1966 to 1990, told The Washington Times.

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He and several other former intel agents were on TV (Fox, CNN, C-SPAN) claiming the same. Larry Johnson of VIPS fame usually was all over CNN, MSNBC or identified as "unidentified former CIA agent" trying to argue the opposite but without providing any facts to his claims.

If you search Fedora's postings here on FR, he has pretty well documented Plamegate and Plame status - within reason, without actual CIA statement about Plame work description and position within CIA, but from other official statements.

The "critics" here on FR (like lugsoul) will keep asking questions that try to tell you that if you don't have a physical proof, like a photocopy of document or sound on the tape stating something (like Andrea Mitchell's transcript of Imus interview), they will not accept anything else as a proof, no matter how credible and confirmed by multiple sources, while themselves claiming any statement from anyone to the contrary as a gospel, even from discredited and highly partisan sources like Larry Johnson and Ray McGovern, or David Corn.

Here's from David Corn's own article what she did at CIA, and especially since 1997 (analyst/group manager job at CPD desk in Langley). "Energy firm" reference is supposed to be Brewster-Jennings, so you can ignore the NOC references. Corn instigated this entire fiasco in articles in Nation magazine (a far-far left publication).

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20060918/corn

[RussP]

"The 'she was not covert' argument requires one to believe that the CIA made a criminal referral with no basis, that DOJ opened an investigation with no basis, appointed a special prosecutor to pursue a case with no basis, maintained a GJ investigation with no basis, etc. Could be, but Occam's Razor would argue against this line of thinking."

I would not be the least bit surprised that the CIA "made a criminal referral with no basis" -- for the same reason they let Joe Wilson do an "investigation" without signing a standard non-disclosure agreement. There is quite clearly a rogue element within the CIA that is hostile to Bush.

As for the DOJ, they just did what they were told by Bush. And Bush appointed the SP because he was afraid of being perceived as covering up a crime if he did not. Bush probably figured that he and his administration would ultimately be exonerated. He acted in good faith, but the SP did not. The SP took advantage of the situation to stab the Bush administration in the back.

[lugsoul]

Lie much, cutie?

Please cite to any post where I have treated any statement by Johnson, McGovern or Corn "as gospel" - or even as proof of her status. If you don't do it, you need to retract your lie.

If you can't argue without making crap up, then you can't argue.

[lugsoul]

So, you really think this could've played out this way if there was never any basis for a referral or an investigation?

Color me skeptical.

It would also be inconsistent with everything Fitzgerald has done in his reported career. I know a bunch of folks around here like to slag on him about this case, but his record prior to this case reveals nothing but a thorough, stand-up prosecutor. There is no reason prior to this case to think he is a Bush-hating case-manufacturing moonbat, but that is exactly the picture that most here paint of him.

[AmishDude]

his record prior to this case reveals nothing but a thorough, stand-up prosecutor

You know, if you say that enough times, you might even begin to believe it yourself.

What do you think of Fitzgerald's request of the judge that the dismissed juror be replaced and the deliberations restarted, even though, according to NRO, it's exactly the opposite of what prosecutors usually request?

[lugsoul]

You have anything other than that quip? Like an example, or evidence?

What I think of Fitzgerald asking for the alternate is exactly the same as what I think of Wells not asking for a mistrial - exactly the opposite of what defense lawyers usually request. It is odd, but impossible to judge not being there or observing any of the jurors, or the voir dire.

[oust the louse]

"so even though it's probably a losing battle I'll send this to him."

Well, you're not the only one with a Liberal know it all in the family. My brother leans left bigtime and I keep sending him this info. He sent me a hahaha Gore won an Oscar e-mail. I laugh and shrug it off. I just reply with the truth whenever he tries to argue but it falls on deaf ears unfortunately....I swear they hate W more than Osama....mind boggling really....

[RussP]

"So, you really think this could've played out this way if there was never any basis for a referral or an investigation?"

Yes, I do. Let me explain why (again). Bush probably appointed the SP because he figured:

1) If he doesn't do it, the conspiracies of cover up will grow out of control and dominate the news indefinitely.

2) If he does, an honest SP will quickly dismiss the whole thing.

Unfortunately, Bush assumed incorrectly that the SP would act in good faith. But, as I said earlier, the SP is really accountable to no one. So he had no compelling reason to act in good faith. And he didn't.