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Giuliani stresses record, woos U.S. conservatives
Reuters ^ | Mar 2, 2007 | John Whitesidies

Posted on 03/02/2007 6:30:19 PM PST by PhiKapMom

By John Whitesides, Political Correspondent Fri Mar 2, 4:36 PM ET

Republican presidential hopeful Rudolph Giuliani acknowledged his differences with the party's conservative base on Friday but said bigger principles should be at stake in the race for the White House.

The former New York mayor led a parade of six Republican White House contenders who wooed frustrated conservatives at an annual convention. He asked the activists to look past his support for abortion rights, gay rights and gun control.

Giuliani, dubbed "America's Mayor" for his leadership after the September 11 attacks, touted his New York record of reducing crime, cutting city taxes and moving people from welfare to jobs.

"We all don't see eye to eye on everything. You and I have a lot of common beliefs that are the same, and we have some that are different," Giuliani told attendees at the annual Conservative Political Action Conference.

"The point of a presidential election is to figure out who do you believe the most, and what do you think are the most important things for this country at a particular time," he said.

Giuliani leads the Republican presidential field in national polls, but he and the other top-tier candidates -- Arizona Sen. John McCain (news, bio, voting record) and former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney -- have been criticized for straying from conservative principles.

McCain championed campaign finance reform, opposed some of President George W. Bush's tax cuts and attacked conservative religious leaders during his 2000 presidential campaign. His decision not to appear at the three-day conservative gathering further angered some activists.

Romney has shifted his positions on social issues like abortion and gay rights to become more conservative.

Even many lesser-known candidates have sparked grumbling from conservatives, who have made their displeasure with the 2008 Republican field evident.

"DUDE, WHERE'S MY CANDIDATE?"

Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, criticized for raising taxes as governor, promised to sign a pledge he would not raise taxes as president and joked about the state of distress at the conference.

"It might be renamed the conservative presidential anxiety conference," he said. "The theme might be, 'Dude, where's my candidate?"'

Huckabee and Colorado Rep. Tom Tancredo also took veiled swipes at the top contenders, particularly Romney and his changing positions on hot-button social issues.

"We have to have leaders who understand that being a leader is about being a thermostat, not a thermometer," Huckabee said. "We can't afford to elect people who simply reflect a culture and reflect a common view, but don't necessarily believe it."

Tancredo, using a biblical reference, said such conversions "are supposed to be made on the road to Damascus, not the road to Des Moines."

California Rep. Duncan Hunter (news, bio, voting record) and Kansas Sen. Sam Brownback (news, bio, voting record) stressed their opposition to abortion rights and their determination to appoint judges who would overturn the Supreme Court decision making it legal.

"If any judicial candidate comes before me who can look at a sonogram of an unborn child and not see a valuable human life, then I will not appoint that candidate to the federal bench," Hunter said.

Romney said he had seen the ineffectiveness of liberal policies while presiding over Massachusetts, one of the most liberal states in the country. He also promised to sign the pledge against tax increases and said he would repeal McCain's signature bill overhauling campaign finance laws.

Tancredo, who entered the race to stress his opposition to illegal immigration, said he had no problem with being called a single-issue candidate as long as people know "my single issue is the survival and success of the conservative movement in America."


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KEYWORDS: alreuters; c; cpac; duncanhunter; giuliani; rudy
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To: Kevmo

Thanks for the post...kinda paints the real picture of Rudy in his own words.


121 posted on 03/02/2007 9:39:59 PM PST by politicalwit (Freedom doesn't mean a Free Pass.)
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To: PhiKapMom

"he said it was not a federal issue and he was right. "

It becomes a federal issue with the inevitable legal challenge based on the Article IV, Section 1 of the constitution - aka the "full faith and credit" clause.


122 posted on 03/02/2007 9:42:00 PM PST by flashbunny (<--- Free Anti-Rino graphics! And watch Rudy the Rino get exposed as a liberal with his own words!)
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To: flashbunny

Sorry, I forgot about Goldwater in 1964. But I think we can assume Eisenhower pretty much was the frontrunner in 1952. Yes, its still early but Rudy is still surging just as the election is getting more coverage.


123 posted on 03/02/2007 9:46:50 PM PST by My GOP (Conservatives are pragmatic and realistic!!!)
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To: My GOP

Thanks for providing an article. It didn't really answer the question, which was aimed at poll numbers from a year before each primary.

The self-contradicting examples are Jimmuh Cartuh and Dean. Dean was the front runner in the race at this time in the primary season. The whole process has changed, like Dick says, "Now you have to win the American Media Primary of 2007 and then your victory is ratified in the primaries and caucuses of 2008." And we are seeing that get fleshed out right here today on FR and other boards across the country. Yesterday our No-Chance candidate came within a 1% difference of the leader and beating Giuliani in a straw poll. Rudy isn't delivering a fait accompli; far from it.





Question:

Based on what criteria and time before the first primary? Got actual data to back that up, including poll numbers from a year before each primary since 1952?



Here's the pertinent section of your Dick Morris article.


The old model — a Jimmy Carter labors in obscurity in the Iowa vineyards and then is discovered nationally after he wins there and sweeps all remaining primaries — is quaint but obsolete. Now you have to win the American Media Primary of 2007 and then your victory is ratified in the primaries and caucuses of 2008.


The importance of the front-runner

The key for the candidates is to become the early front-runner and hold the position for the first three quarters of 2007. Once that is accomplished, the nomination is probably in the bag. No clear front-runner, except for Rockefeller in 1964, has ever failed to win the nomination since the primary process became pivotal in party nominations in 1960.

Among Democrats, Kennedy in ’60, Humphrey, once he entered the race, in ’68, McGovern in ’72, Carter in ’76 and ’80, Mondale in ’84, Dukakis in ’88, Clinton in ’92, Gore in ’00 and Kerry in ’04 were front-runners who held their leads. Mondale, Clinton, Gore, and Kerry were front-runners who were briefly shaken by challengers (Hart, Tsongas, Bradley and Dean) but held on to win their nominations

Among Republicans, Nixon in ’60 and ’68, Ford in ’76, Reagan in ’80, Bush in ’88, Dole in ’96, and Bush in ’00 were all front-runners going in and the nominee coming out. Only Goldwater can be said to have pulled off an upset in 1964 by toppling Rockefeller.

So once there is a clear front-runner, he or she is likely to go all the way.


124 posted on 03/02/2007 9:52:06 PM PST by Kevmo (Duncan Hunter just needs one Rudy G Campaign Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVBtPIrEleM)
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To: My GOP
"Yes, its still early but Rudy is still surging just as the election is getting more coverage."

And if you're thinking that won't change as people find out the truth about him, well...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1793173/posts?page=100

"One-third of voters take issue with a presidential candidate who supports gun control or has been married three times like Rudy Giuliani, a new Time magazine poll shows.......30 percent couldn't back a candidate who favors gun control, while another 35 percent have trouble with someone with three marriages. That includes 48 percent of "born-again" white Christians. But the survey also shows 56 percent don't know Giuliani's marital history, 68 percent don't know his stand on gun control (he's been saying it's a state matter), and nearly 80 percent don't accurately know where he is on abortion rights (he favors it)....Giuliani is partly an unknown quantity nationally"

Now the truth is he hasn't just been saying gun control is as state matter. He called for a complete "assault weapons" ban stronger than the one clinton signed. He wants national handgun registration and licensing (meaning it would be nigh impossible for law abiding citizens to get a handgun) and filed a sarah brady type junk lawsuit against gun makers and dealers. The vast majority of the country doesn't know that yet. And the NRA crowd (either by membership or sympathy to the cause) is a big part of the GOP base and primary voters.

I'll say it again - rudy's biggest enemy is his real record. That's why his supporters try to downplay it and rudy tries to completely avoid it or do political speak to explain it away.
125 posted on 03/02/2007 9:55:04 PM PST by flashbunny (<--- Free Anti-Rino graphics! And watch Rudy the Rino get exposed as a liberal with his own words!)
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To: politicalwit
You specifically said Rudy was for gay marriage.

Let's see the link.

Put up or shut up.
126 posted on 03/02/2007 10:05:20 PM PST by Blackirish
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To: Kevmo

"The self-contradicting examples are Jimmuh Cartuh and Dean."

The article is the proof. I don't think Dick Morris is going to write an article that contradicts historical reality. Dean was not the frontrunner in March 2003. Kerry was the frontrunner. Dean didn't surge until summer 2003 but faded in Iowa and the original frontrunner, Kerry, won the nomination.

"Among Democrats, Kennedy in ’60, Humphrey, once he entered the race, in ’68, McGovern in ’72, Carter in ’76 and ’80, Mondale in ’84, Dukakis in ’88, Clinton in ’92, Gore in ’00 and Kerry in ’04 were front-runners who held their leads. Mondale, Clinton, Gore, and Kerry were front-runners who were briefly shaken by challengers (Hart, Tsongas, Bradley and Dean) but held on to win their nominations."

Jimmy Carter is the exception, not the rule.


127 posted on 03/02/2007 10:05:40 PM PST by My GOP (Conservatives are pragmatic and realistic!!!)
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To: baubau
Not only is immigration, both legal and illegal, the single issue that will determine the survival of the Republican party, it is also the critical issue that will determine whether America and its culture and heritage will survive or be driven into extinction.

Well said, and very true. It's also the one issue that unites Americans across party lines. The vast majority of Americans want something to be done about illegal immigration. This is an issue that crosses party lines and could bring in a lot of blue collar democrats. That's why I think that Duncan Hunter is VERY electable. He is the only candidate besides Tancredo who has actually DONE anything about illegal immigration. Hunter sponsored the bill to build the fence, after all. Rudy by his own admission is more pro-illegal than Bill Clinton was.

No candidate can tell me that they want to make America more secure if they don't have a plan to secure the border.
128 posted on 03/02/2007 10:22:35 PM PST by conservatrice
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To: Kevmo
The false dilemma is that it's going to come down to Rudy vs. Hildabeest, and from what I can see, Rudy is not going to win anything.

Exactly. And furthermore, I don't agree that Hillary is electable either! Too many people can't stand her. Even if it DID come down to Rudy vs Hillary, the Republican party does not own my vote. I am a conservative before I am a Republican. If the Republican candidate wants my vote, he is going to have to deserve it.
129 posted on 03/02/2007 10:25:25 PM PST by conservatrice
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To: flashbunny
"Can I interest you in a reading of all the recent polls?"

Sure. Can you send a copy to me and a copy to president Howard Dean?


LMAO!
130 posted on 03/02/2007 10:28:13 PM PST by conservatrice
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To: My GOP
The early frontrunner for the GOP nomination hasn't lost since 1952.

What's your point? Do you know how many ex-mayors (who never held another elected position) ever won the presidency? That's right: NONE!
131 posted on 03/02/2007 10:30:12 PM PST by conservatrice
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To: Maynerd
He doesn't just talk like Tancredo, McCain, Hunter, Thompson, et al; he has acted and delivered.

You obviously don't know a single thing about Hunter.
132 posted on 03/02/2007 10:32:02 PM PST by conservatrice
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To: Victoria Delsoul
But since you now believe you can read people's minds, why not read Duncan's mind and tell us when your 1% candidate is going to drop out of the race?

1%??? That is so last week.
133 posted on 03/02/2007 10:32:51 PM PST by conservatrice
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To: PhiKapMom
he said it was not a federal issue and he was right. It belonged in the States not a federal marriage amendment to the Constitution. Our States have taken care of it as its voters have seen fit.

You're changing the subject. You said that he has come out against gay marriage. When and where has he *ever* said that he was against gay marriage?
134 posted on 03/02/2007 10:37:21 PM PST by conservatrice
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To: conservatrice

No disrespect to Duncan Hunter. However, as a representative in the House (and not in a leadership position) his direct impact on legislation and policy is modest. On the other hand Giuliani turned around a dysfunctional megapolis while at the same time surrounded by lunatic liberals calling him a racist Nazi and fighting him tooth and nail. Giuliani was a proven leader in a hostile environment long before 9/11,

BTW I totally disagree with him on abortion, gun rights,immigration, and gay marriage but at this point he is the pick of the litter and the most capable of dealing with democrats and left wing media.


135 posted on 03/02/2007 10:47:36 PM PST by Maynerd
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To: Blackirish
As I said, there are 900,000 pages of references to the subject. You're a typical liberal...too damned lazy to do even some of the work. Go back to DU where you belong. Take your baby killing, queer loving, gun grabbing hero with you.
136 posted on 03/03/2007 1:30:10 AM PST by politicalwit (Freedom doesn't mean a Free Pass.)
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To: NapkinUser
"Just finishing watching the Giuliani speech. One of the worst political speeches I've ever witnessed. Unfocused, scattered, boring, almost impossible to follow his thoughts. Awful. Truly awful."

This demonstrates the elitist, unmitigated contempt in which Rudy holds conservatives.

"His Highness" deigned not to mention abortion, marriage, judges----the issues that drive conservativism. Rudy would not even throw a few crumbs to conservatives. The arrogant ignoramus expected to earn brownie points just for showing up.

These Everything-For-Us-Nothing-For-Conservatives types---are beyond the pale.

Rudy's intrusion in GOP politics is an insult to social conservatives----the crucial voters who are central to the Repub party's winning strategy. Rudy should GTH off the public stage, and out of our party, subito.

137 posted on 03/03/2007 2:52:58 AM PST by Liz (Hunter: For some candidates, a conservative constituency is an inconvenience. For me, it is my hope.)
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To: Maynerd

Duncan Hunter is a decorated US Army Ranger combat verteran. Trust me he knows plenty about leadership.


138 posted on 03/03/2007 2:56:25 AM PST by Hydroshock (Duncan Hunter For President, checkout gohunter08.com.)
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To: Kevmo
Wonder what Duncan Hunter would say about your misrepresentation. I heard the entire clip. Rudy said he wished he could run on the conservative line, the liberal line, the republican line, the democrat line.....and then had a good laugh!

If you choose to pick out one word out of the entire sentence that says a lot about you!

139 posted on 03/03/2007 4:39:07 AM PST by OldFriend (Swiftboating - Sinking a politician's Ship of Fools by Torpedoes of Truth)
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To: PhiKapMom
It belonged in the States not a federal marriage amendment to the Constitution.

WRONG...

READ it for yourself...

Article V

The Congress, whenever two thirds of both houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose amendments to this Constitution, or, on the application of the legislatures of two thirds of the several states, shall call a convention for proposing amendments, which, in either case, shall be valid to all intents and purposes, as part of this Constitution, when ratified by the legislatures of three fourths of the several states, or by conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other mode of ratification may be proposed by the Congress;...

140 posted on 03/03/2007 4:48:16 AM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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