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Young Jews walk out on religious life
BBC NEWS ^ | 2 March 2007 | Martin Patience

Posted on 03/04/2007 8:59:00 AM PST by US admirer

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To: Alexander Rubin

"Ultraorthodox brigades have recently been created and have begun to see service. Quite successfully."

Includig one my nephew is in --- dentist's son from Athens, Texas.

Tells me shooting terrorsits is a lot easier than shooting white tail deer; they're slower and not nearly as smart.

(He's mobile artillery, really. But he does range in on them. Really cool picture of him in his "tank" (really not a tank, but for our purposes it is), helmet off, gun in mid-fire flasgh, facing Lebanon, "Texas AT&M" stiched on his kippa. I couldn't have been prouder.)


41 posted on 03/15/2007 7:23:21 AM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Lezahal)
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To: Hildy

There is a difference between respect for others right to have a position you cannot reconcile YOURSELF to and total ostracism of your own family members because of those differences.

There is no indication from the story that "David" sought to change the views of his parents or preach to them to come to his view. He seems to have respected their right to continue the orthodox view he left. They should have done the same for him. Nothing was advanced or changed by that ostracism, other than many years of hurt feelings.

I have a Jehovah's Witness sister. She could not be further from everyone else in the family on religious matters. We (all her seven siblings and our families) continue to have good relations with her. I am glad we do.


42 posted on 03/15/2007 8:52:43 AM PDT by Wuli
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To: MeanWestTexan

Congratulations. That's great news.

One of my goals for this summer is to learn how to hunt.


43 posted on 03/15/2007 9:20:58 AM PDT by Alexander Rubin (Octavius - You make my heart glad building thus, as if Rome is to be eternal.)
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To: Alexander Rubin

If truly new to the hunt, I would start off as a bird hunter --- quail or dove because:

1. Easy to clean (deer are awful, and, if observant Jew, you pretty much have to go do it yourself to get it butchered correctly);

2. Don't have to get up too early or get wet like you do with ducks; and

3. You use a shotgun with light load & pellets, so if you make a mistake, it's generally not fatal.

4. it's social/team hunting, so someone can talk you through it.


44 posted on 03/15/2007 9:36:28 AM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Lezahal)
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To: MeanWestTexan

Good advice. I think I'll take it.


45 posted on 03/15/2007 11:25:03 AM PDT by Alexander Rubin (Octavius - You make my heart glad building thus, as if Rome is to be eternal.)
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To: Hildy
Thanks for having the courage to share this.

It surely was painful to all involved.

46 posted on 03/15/2007 12:07:06 PM PDT by happygrl
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To: JewishRighter

What you've written is wisdom for all parents, of all convictions and beliefs.


47 posted on 03/15/2007 12:12:45 PM PDT by happygrl
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To: happygrl

"What you've written is wisdom for all parents, of all convictions and beliefs."
"What you've written is wisdom for all parents, of all convictions and beliefs."


Thank you so much for your kind words.

I cannot take credit. What I wrote is not my own wisdom, but wisdom of others or lessons gained through hard experience. To some extent, it is my own story, too. I went away from my strong Jewish background when I was in my late teens for about 10 years, during which time I jumped in to the secular "culture" with both feet. There was some pretty strong disapproval from some family members, but nothing like total rejection. More than anything, though, that brought me back was the unconditional love of one of my brothers. It is still amazing to me, that knowing full well that in his heart he could not possibly approve of what I was doing, he never showed it for a moment in all that time. To me, he is a great man, a hero and a most wonderful brother. And it is his wisdom that I speak of, not mine.


48 posted on 03/15/2007 12:50:15 PM PDT by JewishRighter
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To: happygrl

Hey, by the way, I just noticed. Happy 5th FReeper birthday.


49 posted on 03/15/2007 12:53:01 PM PDT by JewishRighter
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To: JewishRighter
O my, I didn't even realize it myself!

Thank you!

I actually started lurking her during the 2000 Florida Election fiasco. The humor here at that time, both written and graphic, was absolutely the best. In those years, there were 80,000 hits a day to FR; I think it's dropped.

But it is a wonderful, mostly mature thinking and posting community.

I'm glad I joined up.

50 posted on 03/15/2007 5:24:05 PM PDT by happygrl
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To: happygrl

"But it is a wonderful, mostly mature thinking and posting community."

Yes it is. I've learned so much from the people who post here. One of the things that sets conservatives/-ism apart from liberals/-ism is rational thinking and logical analysis based on facts. You get that here, for the most part.

Many happy returns.


51 posted on 03/15/2007 7:16:45 PM PDT by JewishRighter
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To: US admirer

...to depend on ger b'emsa's like me to help keep Orthodox Judaism alive?


52 posted on 03/15/2007 11:59:09 PM PDT by onedoug
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