Posted on 03/07/2007 8:06:23 AM PST by LibertarianInExile
ASHVILLE, Tenn. — A Southern Baptist leader said Tuesday that evangelical voters might tolerate a divorced presidential candidate, but they have deep doubts about GOP hopeful Rudy Giuliani, who has been married three times.
Richard Land, head of public policy for the Southern Baptist Convention, told The Associated Press that evangelicals believe the former New York City mayor showed a lack of character during his divorce from second wife, television personality Donna Hanover.
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Who cares if Rudy has been married one thousand times? The question is, would he make the right kind of President this country needs. No.
>>>"Martial" is in original headline.
Is he going to war with his exes? 8^)
Rudy threw himself into the Playboy "Sex is Everything" lifestyle, early-on as he searched for perfect extra-marital sex (while he was mayor, and while he was still married).
Within six months of being elected Mayor, Rudy's photo was splashed on the front page of the New York Daily News buying clothing for Christyne Lategano, his "mayoral aide" (that's kinda like being a WH intern but with New York-style kneepads).
Giuliani in heat was anything but subtle. He took girlfriend Lategano to baseball games WITH his kids, until his wife had had it----news pictures still exist of Lategano and the married Mayor in restaurants across the city (not having sex, though. That came after the photogs left, and in City Hall, no less, according to Hanover's own eyewitness report after a surprise visit to her husband's City Hall office).
Lategano may have been hot in a tight clinch, but she was widely disliked for her rank incompetence and arrogance. Giuliani finally dumped her for newer sexual thrills, but she got paid off for heating up the Mayor's libido with an apartment and a cushy city job, arranged when Rudy dumped his appointee and loyalist, liberal honcho, Fran Reiter, from the job so Lategano could run the city's Tourist and Visitor's Bureau at $250K a year.
By 1998, Rudy had a new mistress (now his wife) and apparently was in the throes of sexual Valhalla, getting sexually blitzed every chance he could as a busy big-city Mayor. He took his sexual plaything to a restaurant a few blocks from Gracie Mansion--so that his children and their friends would know about it. By 2000, Rudy's sex life was getting lots of newsplay. Married Rudy was squiring his mistress to city parades and other Mayoral public events. (As one astute FReeper noted---goodness, gracious, great balls of fire. The thrills just never let up for the gun-grabbing mayor.)
Rudy then called a press coonference to publicly announce his separation from his wife EXCEPT THAT HE HAD NOT BOTHERED TO TELL HANOVER BEFOREHAND. Nice guy. Rudy then publicly announced to the press his separation from his wife WITHOUT EVEN TELLING HANOVER. At the time, Rudy was taking his mistress---not his wife--- to cancer treatment sessions. He never bothered to tell his wife about his illness. Rudy then decided he could not live with his sex playmate out of his reach, and planned to bring his mistress into the Mayoral home (on the spurious claim that Hanover wasn't helping him through cancer treatments---an illness he had not even bothered to tell his wife about).
Rudy announced he wanted to "divide the mayoral home" in two, for his wife AND mistress---a transparent ploy to force his wife and children out into the streets. Hanover was forced to go to court to declare Gracie Mansion the marital home so as to exclude Rudy's sex playmate. The judge acquiesced to Hanover's plea.
Thwarted but not defeated, Rudy moved in with a happily civil unioned gay couple (apparently also in the throes of sexual blitz-dom), while his wife fended off his relentless efforts to ditch her. On Mother's day 2000, while still married, Rudy publicly paraded his mistress up and down Second Avenue for newspaper pictures. The evilness of this marital betrayal astonished even blase New Yorkers.
Giuliani's vendetta against his wife and children was still not sated. He cut the mother of his children's official security detail......but he provided government security to his mistress who had no {{ahem}} official duties unless you consider getting Rudy sexually blitzed to be an "official duty".
I'd question his martial history as well.
With all his marriages Rudy should be a black belt by now.
Aren't these the same kind of wonderfully forgiving evangelicals who have fully embraced the pastors wife who was hooked on Nigerian internet debt scams, shot her minister husband in the back as he lay in their bed, and walked out of the house with the kids as her paralyzed husband lay dying?
Ah forgiveness....
Ronald Reagan was an adulterer who walked out on his first wife, too (was Nancy pregnant?). Lack of character?
Um, I'm a libertarian, and I care if he's been married a thousand times. That would show he's got really crappy judgment.
Three times, no big deal. But the fundamental problem I have with Rudy is I don't trust him, because of his marital woes. The guy screwed around before his divorce, and in front of his kids. That's a lame thing to do. If the Clintons were slime because Hillary tolerates Bill's screwing around and Bill screws around, what is different about Giuliani's screwing around? Nothing, so far as I can see. And if he'll screw around on someone he swore before God to love and cherish, he'll have no problems screwing over constituents he doesn't even know (i.e., conservatives).
AP alwais spels gud.
If the Clintons were slime because Hillary tolerates Bill's screwing around and Bill screws around, what is different about Giuliani's screwing around?
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And don't forget Hillary's screwing around...on both sides of the sexual fence. Regardless, this is a "disorder" that is ESPECIALLY prevalent amoung LIBERALS. Just look at historical facts. You do not see alot of it in conservatives, some but nothing compared to the libs. They have no morals, ethics, standards or honor -- any system of human measurement, such as Christianity, is a bane to these morally bankrupt reprobates. That is why they HATE the churches, religion or any other system of human ethical measurement. It is an obstacle to their agenada.
Rudy is very much a liberal, in many respects. And this is just one of them.
everyone is a sinner. what one does in recovery is the question. if he regrets his actions, tries to repair the damage and lead a good life forward, that's what i am interested in.
Your understanding of the term is limited. Suggest you look up "contrition."
"Ronald Reagan was an adulterer who walked out on his first wife, too (was Nancy pregnant?). Lack of character?"
Let's see, you managed to tar all evangelical social conservatives and intimate Reagan was a philanderer, all in one post. Could you damn Calvin Coolidge as a child molester, claim Jesse Helms is a drug dealer, and piss on Washington's grave, while you're at it?
I swear, one can always depend on the RINO squad to drag other candidates through the mud in an effort to make their candidate somehow equal. Here's a tip: that others may also have been bad in the past doesn't make Rudy any better. You haven't refuted anything said, just shown you'd tear down a tower to put Rudy on top of the rubble.
I agree with the many negatives on Rudy - and probably even more than are stated here, but that only brings heat from those who want to tell me how "electable" he is. A Rudy presidency would be the final death knell for conservatives.
"if he regrets his actions, tries to repair the damage and lead a good life forward, that's what i am interested in."
That I can accept as a thoroughly Christian attitude towards a repenting sinner. However, here, I don't know that there has ever been any regret expressed or such a repair effort, nor do I see some kind of grand attempt to 'lead a good life forward.' Any evidence of repentance would be welcome.
"What's to question? He has none. He got a deferment."
LOL. I thought the same thing.
"[A] good moral character is the first essential in a man... and your conduct here may stamp your character through life. It is therefore highly important that you should endeavor not only to be learned but virtuous." --George Washington
i believe he needs to repair the damage with the people damaged, not with you.
There there, feel better now?
PSST: If my posts qualify me for the RINO squad, when can I expect my tshirt to arrive?
Oh well, it passed spell check. That's apparently the only editing or proofreading that goes on anymore.
Don't be stupid
*January 16th, 1940 -Ronald Reagan and Jane Wyman married.
*June 28th, 1949 - Reagan's divorce from Jane Wyman is finalized.
*March 4th, 1952 -Ronald Reagan and Nancy Davis wed.
Rudy and Judy have Six marriges between them. They are serial. Judy would make one ideous first lady. She Married Rudy in a White dress BTW.
Take your pick Baptist Ping
Holy Crap!!
Doesn't anyone proof read anything any more??
Bad enough to see terrible spelling on the crawls on each tv station. One of my biggest gripes.
I'd have trouble getting past pro-gun control, pro-abortion.
"Aren't these the same kind of wonderfully forgiving evangelicals who have fully embraced the pastors wife who was hooked on Nigerian internet debt scams, shot her minister husband in the back as he lay in their bed, and walked out of the house with the kids as her paralyzed husband lay dying? "
Can you give me a link to that story?
"i believe he needs to repair the damage with the people damaged, not with you."
The people 'damaged' were all the people who looked to him as mayor and public figure for an example for their kids. A public apology for providing a pisspoor example to the children of the city of New York would be in order, as a measure of 'repairing the damage.' A similar apology from the Clintons would have been an example of true repentance.
Hopefully "evangelicals" and others will be smart enough to figure out it is not Presidents who make the law of the land, or who impose gay marriage, gun controls, and abortion on demand - but the justices and judges they appoint to our courts.
Giuliani has already spoken up for appointing strictly constructionist judges. This is good, if you trust the US Constitution as written by the framers.
I believe aside from prosecuting the war against terror and shepherding us (and our beleagured military) through the appropriate reponse to our next attack (which is overdue), the quality of judicial nomination and successful advocacy - through appointment - by our next executive is a critical point consideration.
JP Stephens and Ruth Bader (at a minimum) will be goners during the next few years. Pick the candidate you trust to replace them.
Wyman and Reagan divorced in 1948, he met Nancy in 1951
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You have to order it first, pal. Right here.
Do a search on "Mary Winkler" and you can read the whole sad case from many perspectives.
Her trial starts in April so this will become a lead story soon.
Thanks for sending me to a whore shirt site. You make true conservatism so inviting, I'm thinking of giving up my evil RINO freethink.
"Thanks for sending me to a whore shirt site. You make true conservatism so inviting, I'm thinking of giving up my evil RINO freethink."
Well, if the site fits...
"Aren't these the same kind of wonderfully forgiving evangelicals who have fully embraced the pastors wife who was hooked on Nigerian internet debt scams, shot her minister husband in the back as he lay in their bed, and walked out of the house with the kids as her paralyzed husband lay dying?
Ah forgiveness....
Ronald Reagan was an adulterer who walked out on his first wife, too (was Nancy pregnant?). Lack of character?"
It doesn't get any sleazier than your post.
You try to smear Southern Baptists with a lie, and you falsely smear President Reagan.
Man, you take the cake.
Man. I knew things were bad in NY when he got there, but I didn't realize he needed to declare martial law.
Yeah that true turn out Jane Wyman left him for that p***y Lew Ayres
Lew Ayres please that p***y was in that movie All Quiet on Western Front
"This is good, if you trust the US Constitution as written by the framers.
JP Stephens and Ruth Bader (at a minimum) will be goners during the next few years. Pick the candidate you trust to replace them."
I intend to do just that. I will not pick Rudy, because I trust the "Constitution as written" but I do not trust Rudy's promises, whether written, spoken, or in sign language. The man has proven many times that he will say whatever he has to to get elected.
Come think of it Ronnie is comitted to marriage first marriage 10 years
his second years to Nancy 51 years that not bad for Hollywood and Wash DC
It isn't Rudy's multiple divorces that worry me as much as his stance on social issues such as abortion and homosexual marriage.
One can forgive and still know that the characteristics displayed by a person disqualify him/her for a position of power.
Ah, he *said* he's going to. How many times did he say "til death do us part"?
Maybe YOU should get your facts straight before slandering a wonderful man. That is just DISGUSTING.
Wyman was having an affair. Reagan didn't want the divorce.
The site must be good if my company sees fit to block it!
He divorced Jane Wyman in 1948 and married Nancy in 1952.
Reagan first met Nancy in 1951. Source: http://www.whitehouse.gov/history/firstladies/nr40.html
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