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To: GourmetDan
If you have read them and still think this is evidence, then there is nothing else that I can say that will be meaningful to you.

Well, I read your other posts, and they didn't make sense. At one point you even specifically contradict yourself, and say something nonsensical like, "Observed evidence is not evidence". So I was hoping you'd discuss it with me, on the specifics, so we could avoid the language that seems to be confusing.

You observe the locations and movements of the sun and the earth. No matter what coordinate system you use, you notice that the movements seem to follow the two bodies rotating around the center of the mass of gravity of the two bodies. You then observere that due to the difference in mass, this center is in the Sun.

All observed, real data. All pointing to a specific gravitational system. A system in which the center of rotation is the Sun.

This is evidence, agreed?

231 posted on 03/15/2007 7:34:58 AM PDT by Dominic Harr (Conservative: The "ant", to a liberal's "grasshopper".)
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To: Dominic Harr

After giving this some more thought, perhaps the point you are missing is the heliocentrists always ignore the gravitational effects of the rest of the universe and geocentrists always include it.

When you appeal only to the gravatational 'pull' of the sun, you are by definition ignoring the gravitational effects of the rest of the universe.

In the geocentric universe, the stars are centered on the sun, not on the earth and the universe has an annual wobble offsetting the orbit of the sun around the earth.

I'm sure you can understand that the earth doesn't orbit the center of the sun, but the center of mass of the system as impacted by the other planets in the solar system. Geocentrists make the point that the rest of the solar system is not the only mass that must be accounted for, but the entire universe.

Since the solar system is basically a point when compared to the rest of the universe, the gravitational offset caused by the annual wobble of the universe with the stars centered on the sun is more than enough to shift the center of mass from the sun out to the earth.

This is basically what Einstein and Hoyle understood that modern heliocentrists do not.


235 posted on 03/15/2007 8:35:34 AM PDT by GourmetDan
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To: Dominic Harr
A system in which the center of rotation is the Sun.

Is the SUN rotating around something??

256 posted on 03/15/2007 12:02:07 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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