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1 posted on 03/15/2007 12:58:09 AM PDT by Graybeard58
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Maybe these folks didn't understand the language of those "fast-talking mortgage brokers."

MSM shure jumped on subprime demanding laws and regulations be passed right now!!

2 posted on 03/15/2007 1:06:44 AM PDT by 100-Fold_Return (Sell Low--Buy Lower)
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And the liar loans (subprime) are not even the biggest problem.

They represent only the smaller part of americas 7.800 billion housing market.

While they often get foul the people who are actually paying them allready pay quite high rates of interest.

If loans in general get more expensive then the cheap prime loans that don't run fixed rate for the whole time will surprise their holders with brutal raises of interests. They will then not even be able to sell the house to get rid of their loan. CAn't sell, can't pay, can't refinance.

This lock ups could hit every fith loan taker.

In this lies potential for a true economic crisis.


4 posted on 03/15/2007 1:10:05 AM PDT by Rummenigge (there's people willing to blow out the light because it casts a shadow)
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Who's the biggest scam artist?
Uncle Sam.
Kids in college are given "financial aid" in the for of federally backed student loans - some over $20,000 per year. They are easy to get. No income required. And there are legions of undergraduates that are borrowing the max every year. It is not unusual these days to see kids graduating with a measley BA or BS and with $75-100K in debt. And, none of it can be discharged in bankruptcy. So, these kids will be paying for the rest of their lives. Victims?


11 posted on 03/15/2007 1:44:41 AM PDT by XR7
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"Liar loans" ("no income verification" mortgages) were originally a good idea when they were introduced by Citicorp(?) back in the late '80s. They were designed for self-employed people with good credit who had a difficult time qualifying for mortgages when underwriters had to rely on income tax returns for calculating income/debt ratios.

The more recent practice of offering "no income verification" mortgages to people with shaky credit was a disaster waiting to happen. Well, it is happening. Surprise, surprise.


14 posted on 03/15/2007 1:52:46 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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Didn't Peter Jennings (now a 'dirt bag' in the truest sense) proudly proclaim that "character doesn't count" when Bill Clinton was elected President. In fact, didn't the entire nation collectively make the proclaimation?

Well, does character count yet, or must we wait a bit longer?

15 posted on 03/15/2007 1:58:27 AM PDT by The Duke (I have met the enemy, and he is named 'Apathy'!)
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Guess What?
Bad Credit means Bad Credit.
Everybody who was paying attention knew this was going to occur.
16 posted on 03/15/2007 2:11:04 AM PDT by DeaconRed (If it weren't for the United States Military-There would be NO United States of America.)
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A house built on sand.
17 posted on 03/15/2007 2:13:40 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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Lost another one to Di-Tech.


18 posted on 03/15/2007 2:15:36 AM PDT by mkjessup (If Reagan were still with us, he'd ask us to "win one more for the Gipper, vote for Duncan Hunter!")
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There is some good news - investment properties will be widely available and relatively affordable. 'Course they'll need some cosmetic fixing-up.......


21 posted on 03/15/2007 2:20:14 AM PDT by tgusa (Gun control: deep breath, sight alignment, squeeze the trigger .....)
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Like this hasn't been going on forever, eh?

Back in the day, when I ran a residential framing outfit on Cape Cod, I worked for a couple of builders who kept stacks of W2 forms handy. This was over thirty years ago and the builders, buyers and bankers were all colluding to get unqualified people into houses.

I'd say about 95% of these "unqualified" folks found a way to make their payments and have probably moved up to more substantial homes by now. Of course on the Cape today that 2 bedroom half Cape on 1/4 acre that went for $27,900 brand spanking new is "worth" over $400,000.

26 posted on 03/15/2007 3:51:19 AM PDT by metesky ("Brethren, leave us go amongst them." Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond- The Searchers)
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From 2004....

Subprime loan market grows despite troubles

Especially interesting the short bit about ACORN, Citigroup, and subprime loans to illegal immigrants.

27 posted on 03/15/2007 3:55:06 AM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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on Section 8 rental assistance, who had been paying $200 a month in rent, was put into a $350,000 mortgage. Her income was listed as $72,000, when in fact she made half that,


Half that .... hmmm 36,000$$ a year and shes in section 8.

Sweet , where can I sign up? .. and can I rent from myself or do I have to go to one of their places?


And on another note , I saw a story about a poor little old lady who re-mortgaged her paid off home for 350,000 ... her income was 1000 a month ... poor girl. But my question ... what the heck did she do with the money?

Am I suppose to feel sorry for these folks?


30 posted on 03/15/2007 4:00:50 AM PDT by THEUPMAN (####### comment deleted by moderator)
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IMHO, this sounds like collusion between developers, appraisers and and mortgage brokers...to take advantage of individuals and lenders....to the end benefit of the builder/developer. Wonder how far into it Deval is?!!


31 posted on 03/15/2007 4:04:44 AM PDT by mo
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A collapse of the housing boom due to the collapse of fly-by-night loan sharks might be a good thing. Think of the repercussions....fewer houses bought, fewer new ones built, bankrupt contractors and unemployed illegal aliens all over the place, local governments and homeowners assn. go into hard times as property values fall. I love it. The housing industry, and it's liaison with intrusive government, has become a blood sucking industry and deserves such a fate.
32 posted on 03/15/2007 4:06:49 AM PDT by wgflyer (Liberalism is to society what HIV is to the immune system.)
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In one case ESAC is dealing with, a Dorchester woman on Section 8 rental assistance, who had been paying $200 a month in rent, was put into a $350,000 mortgage. Her income was listed as $72,000, when in fact she made half that, documents reviewed by the Herald show.

The first time my wife and I shopped for a house over 20 years ago the rule of thumb was the mortgage couldn't exceed 2 1/2 times income. This was 5 times income.

35 posted on 03/15/2007 4:19:14 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Save Fredericksburg. Support CVBT.)
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There's a sucker born every minute.

The price of laziness in school gets paid as as adult.


36 posted on 03/15/2007 4:29:51 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P.)
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Its a felony to lie on your loan application. In the shady subprime market, unethical lenders are not concerned that laws might be broken as they are at the prospect of pulling in some fast bucks before the whole deal goes south. "Liar's loans" indeed.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

51 posted on 03/15/2007 6:48:43 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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Pumping buyers into the market increases demand, inflating prices, and reducing demand for rentals. The clampdown will have the opposite effect.

Bad news: my rent on my $500k house may go up from the current $1,600.

Good news: Maybe I'll be able to buy it for $300k in a year or two.

One of my buddies just bought a home in January. It was on the market for $500k last year. He got it for $340k. This is in Seattle!


60 posted on 03/15/2007 8:48:35 AM PDT by RobRoy (Islam is a greater threat to the world today than Nazism was in 1938.)
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And in the meantime, folks who can and do provide all the paperwork can't get a home refinianced to pay off debts.

It's a mad, mad, mad world.

65 posted on 03/15/2007 8:56:17 AM PDT by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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...was put into a $350,000 mortgage. Her income was listed as $72,000

How can you carry a 350K mortgage on 72K/yr?

66 posted on 03/15/2007 8:58:09 AM PDT by HIDEK6
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