Posted on 03/17/2007 9:07:56 AM PDT by FairOpinion
Meet The Press:
TIM RUSSERT (host): A banning of late-term abortions, so-called partial-birth abortions -- you're against that?GIULIANI: I'm against it in New York, because in New York --
RUSSERT: Well, if you were a senator, would you vote with the president or against the president?
GIULIANI: I would vote to preserve the option for women...
399 bounced checks.
Not 1...
Not 2...
Not 3...
But 399 bounced checks.
How many people have bounced 399 checks for $129,000 and not gone to jail? (Duncan Hunter excepted)
Well, it's kind of hard to alter the truth, you know? The words of Giuliani and his legislative/executive policies are a matter of public record.
If it doesn't convince the committed Rudy-supporters, then it might convince the people who haven't decided yet.
Even though his record says the exact opposite.
September 11, 1992, Friday, San Diego County Edition
REP. HUNTER IS CLEARED IN HOUSE BANK SCANDAL
BYLINE: By JAMES BORNEMEIER, TIMES STAFF WRITER
SECTION: Metro; Part B; Page 1; Column 2; Metro Desk
LENGTH: 544 words
DATELINE: WASHINGTON
Rep. Duncan Hunter (R-Coronado) learned Thursday that he was cleared of any criminal wrongdoing involving his hundreds of overdrafts at the House Bank.
For Hunter, the news came an agonizing day and a half after dozens of other congressmen received identical letters from Malcolm R. Wilkey, a special counsel appointed to investigate the bank scandal.
The letter exonerates Hunter with the phrase, "I have concluded that there is no basis for pursuing a further inquiry regarding possible criminal violations concerning your account."
Receipt of the three-paragraph missive, on stationery of the Office of the Attorney General, brings an official close to a painful episode for the six-term congressman. An outspoken conservative who ranks fifth in the House Republican leadership, Hunter has generally avoided major public blunders during his 12 years in office.
But word of the 399 overdrafts set his political world spinning.
When the House Bank scandal broke last fall, Hunter said, "Nobody has ever had a Duncan Hunter check returned for insufficient funds." The statement was interpreted as a curt denial, but turned out to be an accurate -- and carefully worded -- description of how the loosely run bank worked. It routinely covered overdrawn accounts with other members' funds.
Hunter was right: Nobody had lost any money -- and the bank had operated that way for decades.
But before the House held a dramatic floor vote on disclosing the names of all members who had had overdrafts, Hunter admitted that he routinely wrote checks without sufficient funds at the House Bank -- and at his California account at the Bank of Coronado.
As a self-described "industrial strength" overdrafter, Hunter paid extra for protection against bounced checks in Coronado.
To justify his overdrafts at the House Bank, Hunter pointed to a scholarship fund he had set up in 1985 to aid needy district students. Hunter said the fund, to which he has donated more than $12,000, was his way of paying for congressional "perks," including the House Bank's de facto overdraft protection.
The scholarship fund payments brought him into "moral balance" on the issue, Hunter said at the time.
The rationale was widely regarded as imaginative -- and unconvincing.
At first, Hunter was unapologetic, arguing that the House banking rules were being changed retroactively. And he was prepared to vote against full disclosure of all overdrafters -- until a last-minute phone conversation with his father convinced him otherwise.
Back in California to face voters, Hunter toured his district and set up a card table with his checks spread out for constituents to examine.
Angry voters laid into him about the checks, but also complained bitterly about the state of the region's economy.
Hunter surprised his aides during a tour stop in El Centro by promising to turn back half his congressional pay until the unemployment rate in his district declines two points.
Using a formula that blended San Diego and Imperial County unemployment figures for April, the base rate was pegged at 9.8%.
It now stands at 11.2%.
He also announced that he will pay for his congressional perks, including medical care, a health club and discount meals, at commercial rates.
Not only that, but the 399 transactions ALTOGETHER totalled $129,000.00, for an average transaction of $323.30. Unless there were some really big single transactions, that figure looks more like the kind of "pocket money" we all used to cash checks for to use for everyday expenses, e.g. lunch, gas, haircuts, etc...
During the House Banking Scandal there WERE members of Congress who "floated" $50,000.00 or more single overdraft transactions which they refused to make good on for months and months. In effect, they were getting interest-free taxpayer-subsidized loans. Most overdraft cases, however, were simply members thoughtlessly using and abusing what they had been told was one the "perks" of their office.
It wasn't right, but it was understandable. Human nature is a constant, even in Congress. That said, I seriously doubt that Duncan Hunter was one of those deliberately calculated abusers, and the fact that he made his records open and available to his constituents when so many others were desperately trying to hide theirs and stall any investigations tends to support that view.
Video of Rudy Giuliani in his own words
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVBtPIrEleM
Partial transcript of video below.
Will the real Rudy show up at CPAC?
Culture of life:
ABC clip:
George Will: "Do you think Roe v Wade was good constitutional law?"
Rudy Giuliani: "Yes I believe, I believe it is."
Cnn Clip December 2, 1999:
Announcer: "Giuliani was then asked whether he supports a ban on what critics call partial birth abortions, something Bush strongly supports."
Rudy Giuliani : "No, I have not supported that, and I don't see my position on that changing."
Rudy Giuliani: "Yes I believe, I believe it is."
Can you imagine what kind of justices that ass would appoint, if given the chance?
In all fairness, there is proportionately the same amount of spam coming from the pro-Rudy people as there is from the anti-Rudy people. There are just so many more of the latter camp here on FR that it appears to be more coming from there.
RuBots needs to take a deep breath. RUDY WILL NEVER BE POTUS!!!!! NEVER, NEWVER, NEVER!!!!! Follow him over a cliff while taking the rest of the GOP with you, just as the Katherin Harris supporters did in Florida.
Maybe it all boils down to what one considers "spam." I don't think new pro-Rudy or anti-Rudy threads are spam. I think posting identical replies on each of them is.
Using my definition, I don't think there's any question which side is engaging in more spam.
There is certainly some pro-Rudy spam here, to be certain. I've seen the same list of his accomplishments as Mayor more times than I need to.
The spam needs to stop. It's not helpful or enlightening.
As much as I would like to see Roe v Wade overturned, it just ain't gonna happen.
***Baloney. We're only about 2 justices away from having the majority we need to get rid of this concocted law.
Chief Justice Roberts said essentially the same thing.
***Please let all of us know where he said it so that we can make the proper assessment of this piece of interesting information.
It has been the law of the land for many years and is probably here to stay, as disgusting as it is.
***Pure, defeatist baloney. There are other laws which the supreme court has allowed to survive and then later had to reverse itself in the interests of justice. This is not the law of the land. It's just what the majority of 9 justices said 30 some-odd years ago when it was cool to be liberal. Millions of souls have died as a result and we can change the course of this terrible thing.
My hope is to abolish completely the brutal practice of partial birth abortion.
***Then you should be glad that the PBA ban was passed by
Bush, and you should be running from rudy as fast as you can, all the while getting others to join you.
I think we stand a better chance of achieving that than to insist on overturning Roe.
***I notice that on the same topic you said to Mojave, " I will have to research this because I heard Rudy say on one of the Fox shows that he was anti-abortion but still felt a woman had the right to choose. He also said he was totally against partial birth abortion, which is an abomination, IMO." I gather you're done researching. Please, let us know what is so significant to change your mind on this ghastly procedure and the liberal who supported it and is running for president; especially after seeing his own words posted and the video you are commenting upon directly in this exchange.
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