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Giuliani doubters in for Rudy awakening
The Boston Herald ^ | 03/18/2007 | Deroy Murdock

Posted on 03/18/2007 1:31:23 AM PDT by JohnSheppard

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To: azhenfud

"- even partial birth abortions inclusive"

Rudy's position on PBA is the same as Duncan Hunters...FR's darling.


161 posted on 03/18/2007 12:55:44 PM PDT by Blackirish (Happy St. Pats!)
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To: Blackirish

It became the same a month ago. Up until then it was the same as Hillary's.


162 posted on 03/18/2007 12:59:25 PM PDT by garv (Conservatism in '08 www.draftnewt.org)
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To: Blackirish

You mean Rudy has changed directions again? Jeez, this guy is hard to keep up with.

Have you ever wondered why Duncan Hunter is "FR's darling"? It's because he's a CONSERVATIVE and this is a CONSERVATIVE website. Weird, huh?


163 posted on 03/18/2007 1:04:05 PM PDT by panaxanax (Ronald Reagan would vote for Duncan Hunter!)
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To: Blackirish; azhenfud
Rudy's position on PBA is the same as Duncan Hunters...FR's darling.
Nope. Rudy's position is the SAME as Hillary's.

The Hildabeast and the RINO both want almost ALL abortion legal, they use the game of "the life of the mother" exemption as if it is meaningful. Hunter wants almost all abortions made illegal. WAY different.


164 posted on 03/18/2007 1:04:47 PM PDT by narses ("Freedom is about authority." - Rudolph Giuliani)
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To: panaxanax
What is conservative about about being a protectionist? Check that, by old definitions, that is the epitome of conservatism...market unfriendliness.
165 posted on 03/18/2007 1:14:01 PM PDT by LowCountryJoe (I'm a Paleo-liberal: I believe in freedom; am socially independent and a borderline fiscal anarchist)
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To: narses
Get off it narses. It is getting tiresome,.
166 posted on 03/18/2007 1:18:21 PM PDT by Irish Eyes
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To: LowCountryJoe
I will relate the two issues that you are holding close to your vest; homosexuality (let's not pull up the weeds lest we also uproot good wheat -- let's let God be the judge on judgement day) and immigration

First, you have a misunderstanding of "judgement." God will ultimately judge everyone. I never said otherwise. That kind of judgement is one which carries punishment for sin. I've not said anything about supporting a candidate who tries to punish homosexuals.

However, the Bible clearly allows for Christians to make judgements. That simply means making correct decisions. I have to make judgements about raising my children and their actions. As a church members we have to make judgements on proper conduct and punishment of church members.

As a citizen of the United States, I am given the responsibility to make proper judgements for the direction of our country through my vote on a representative. If that representative is going to support a behavior that is clearly a sin, then I cannot support that through that representative. Especially when it envolves the institution of marriage. (He is also for open homosexuality in the military, which will destroy your main support point for Rudy...defense of the Republic.)

Second, I think you have me confused with someone else when you mention immigration. I said abortion and homosexuality were my main moral issues.

Sincerely
167 posted on 03/18/2007 1:18:22 PM PDT by ScubieNuc
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To: panaxanax; narses

Yet, on the Fox News show, Giuliani said that he supports a ban on partial-birth abortion as long as there is a provision to protect the life of the mother.


"If it has provision for the life of the mother, then I would support it," he told the Fox News program.


Washington, D.C. – The House of Representatives yesterday passed H.R. 760, the Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act of 2003, by a margin of 282-139. Congressman Duncan Hunter (CA-52), who is a cosponsor of the legislation, proudly voted in favor of this measure which prohibits medical doctors, except in situations where the LIFE OF THE MOTHER is threatened, from utilizing certain procedures that involve the partial delivery of a living unborn baby, killing the child, then completing the delivery




As far as Hunter's credentials are concerned he certainly isn't a fiscal conservative and after the spending binge the curreent crew of repubs have been on letting another big spending socon near the checkbook .....the voters won't have it. He has no chance.

http://www.clubforgrowth.org/2006/10/duncan_hunters_voting_record.php


168 posted on 03/18/2007 1:18:37 PM PDT by Blackirish (Happy St. Pats!)
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To: ScubieNuc

My applogies about being wrong about your stance. But I would like to point to the usage of the word "judgement" in the context of where I was going. "Judgement", refered to a ruling/decree/official decision as I was using it. A more apt word to what you are describing is discrimination -- and, no, that is not a word that should conjure negative connotations Right off the bat as it seems to these days.


169 posted on 03/18/2007 1:29:45 PM PDT by LowCountryJoe (I'm a Paleo-liberal: I believe in freedom; am socially independent and a borderline fiscal anarchist)
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To: Irish Eyes

170 posted on 03/18/2007 1:34:18 PM PDT by narses ("Freedom is about authority." - Rudolph Giuliani)
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To: Blackirish; panaxanax

"Yet, on the Fox News show, Giuliani said that he supports a ban on partial-birth abortion as long as there is a provision to protect the life of the mother."

Finally. And just barely. All other abortions appear OK to him. NOT so Hunter. As for fiscal issues, Rudy spent WAAAAY more than anyone before him as Mayor.


171 posted on 03/18/2007 1:36:14 PM PDT by narses ("Freedom is about authority." - Rudolph Giuliani)
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To: narses
As for fiscal issues, Rudy spent WAAAAY more than anyone before him as Mayor.



Every politician in the our history has spent more then the predessor. Because our population continues to grow. But by cutting taxes...cutting bureaucracy...cutting crime...Rudy G accomplished much more in a just two terms as Mayor of NYCity then Hunter has done in 20 in congress.

No comparison.
172 posted on 03/18/2007 1:48:51 PM PDT by Blackirish (Happy St. Pats!)
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To: Blackirish

Hunter served, Rudy evaded. Sorry, a draft-evader who wants to grab guns, supports abortion, so called 'gay rights' and sanctuary cities isn't a conservative. Not even a little.


173 posted on 03/18/2007 1:50:39 PM PDT by narses ("Freedom is about authority." - Rudolph Giuliani)
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To: Caipirabob

Would you consider supporting the former Seanator from Tennessee, Fred Thompson?


174 posted on 03/18/2007 1:53:13 PM PDT by no dems (Herman Cain for VEEP in '08)
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To: narses

Blah...blah...blah....

Hunter has as much chance of being the next POTUS as Custer's Bugler.

And all your spamming has done is annoy folks so much that it has drivin down traffic on FR and pushed more folks into the Rudy camp.


175 posted on 03/18/2007 1:56:37 PM PDT by Blackirish (Happy St. Pats!)
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To: Blackirish
LOL, you represent liberalism well.


176 posted on 03/18/2007 1:59:54 PM PDT by narses ("Freedom is about authority." - Rudolph Giuliani)
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To: LowCountryJoe
"Homosexuality: it is none of my business what two consenting adults want to do amongst themselves...my preference is to not make a federal case of it and not have to pay social security survivor benefits for it."

Basically I agree with you from a philosophical perspective. However, following that road has resulted in intolerable problems. Not only are being asked to "tolerate" homosexuality, the activist homosexual community is DEMANDING equivalence with heterosexuality, and ENDORSEMENT by society of what is essential an unnatural and perverted practice. EVEN IN SCHOOLS, children are now being taught that homosexuality is an "acceptable alternative lifestyle" Consequently, I'm all for shutting them back in the closet, and nailing the door closed.

Mr. Giuliani does NOT see things from my perspective.

"Do you really suppose that people choose to be homosexual given the life of torment and isolation they lead in their developmental years?"

I think some people have an uncontrollable predilection for that lifestyle due to biological factors beyond their control. I sympathize with them as long as they restrict their activities to themselves and others who are of a like inclination and do not seek society's imprimatur on their behavior. BUT I ALOS believe a SOCIETY can develop in which homosexuality has become SO TOLERATED, and SO INSTITUTIONALIZED that even people who do not have a biological imperative to practice it do so. For instance - the Ancient Spartans, Later Republican Rome and Imperial Rome, the Mochicas and Chimus of South America, and the Ottoman Turks. Its IMPOSSIBLE for all the people who practised that perversion in those societies were driven by such a uncontrollable biological urge. Its something which had become accepted and then endorsed - just as the homosuxual community in the modern western world is attempting to do with their perversion.

"Immigration: allow more immigrants to come here legally and restrict the handouts that they can receive by the taxpayers. Immigration has always been a boon to our economy."

Again, we don't really have an issue here. The issue isn't IMMIGRATION. Immigrants are people who come here LEGALLY, who wish to become AMERICANS and admire and wish to absorb our culture.

Mr. Giuliani supports ILLEGAL INVADERS - people who break our laws to come here and then secure benefits from our society. He supported them while mayor of New York and has not expressed any intention of changing his mind on this subject.

And I agree that LEGAL immigrants are the lifeblood of our society. "Guest Workers" are merely a Trojan horse for more illegal invaders, and a prop to support corrupt corporate interests who have no desire to provide American workers and legal resident aliens with a decent living.
177 posted on 03/18/2007 2:17:36 PM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: Blackirish
And all your spamming has done is annoy folks so much that it has drivin down traffic on FR and pushed more folks into the Rudy camp.

I'm not sure how you can tally traffic on FR and then determine that it's because of the anti-Rudy postings and not because NCAA Basketball Tournament is on, or some other reason. I'm going call.....

B.S.

Then to assume that the anti-Rudy postings drive people to Rudy....that's funny.

I suppose that you look at the little poll on FR and see nothing but roses that Rudy leads all choices if the vote were held today. I suppose that you also miss that he gets only 46% of the vote. That means that 54% of FR doesn't support him.

You get that poll over 51% when we get near the primaries and you can feel pretty good about your boy, Rudy. Until then, any thinking person will see all these "go Rudy" posts as nothing but hot air.

Sincerely
178 posted on 03/18/2007 2:30:10 PM PDT by ScubieNuc
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To: ZULU

I enjoyed your reply. If only more people could have the same level of discourse in this forum about these particular issues.


179 posted on 03/18/2007 2:41:23 PM PDT by LowCountryJoe (I'm a Paleo-liberal: I believe in freedom; am socially independent and a borderline fiscal anarchist)
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To: ScubieNuc; Blackirish

We can all cherish our fantasies. Blackirish fantasies a world where FR loves Rudy. It is a fantasy, but it is his.


180 posted on 03/18/2007 2:45:10 PM PDT by narses ("Freedom is about authority." - Rudolph Giuliani)
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