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Rudy Giuliani Could be Just the Ticket for Social Conservatives
American Thinker ^ | March 19, 2007 | J. Peter Mulhern

Posted on 03/18/2007 11:17:46 PM PDT by FairOpinion

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To: EternalVigilance

Did you see that riot? First time in years I actually found myself watching the local news and it was strictly by accident.

Nothing to do with Rudy, but the one thing I took away from watching the video is these kids have no training in martial arts or hand to hand combat. They are rank amateurs who just throw haymakers.


21 posted on 03/18/2007 11:34:15 PM PDT by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: FairOpinion
State GOP lining up behind Giuliani.

Why should that be any surprise? Your ilk have completely infested it. It's the Schwarzeneggarization of the Republican Party.

22 posted on 03/18/2007 11:34:35 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Rudy wants to move the GOP to Guyana and create Utopia - Drink up everyone!)
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To: Al Simmons; Victoria Delsoul
Many conservatives are already on board...

Courtesy of Victoria Delsoul

23 posted on 03/18/2007 11:35:16 PM PDT by FairOpinion (Victory in Iraq. Stop Hillary. Stop the Dems. Work for Republican Victory in 2008.)
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To: FairOpinion
It's a long, long way to the end of the line...


24 posted on 03/18/2007 11:36:43 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Rudy wants to move the GOP to Guyana and create Utopia - Drink up everyone!)
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To: Lurker

According to The Boston Herald, on Giuliani’s watch, crime went down 56 percent, homicides 66 percent, and the number of persons on welfare 58 percent.


25 posted on 03/18/2007 11:40:59 PM PDT by FairOpinion (Victory in Iraq. Stop Hillary. Stop the Dems. Work for Republican Victory in 2008.)
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To: hosepipe

hp, you have to 'splain this one. Yes they are the same on some social issues BUT...and it's a big BUT;

Hillary is a closet Socialist who is on tape accidentally proclaiming her true agenda with the "I want to take those profits..." rant against the oil companies.

Rudy preaches free market, supply side Friedman economic theory.

Hillary wants to surrender to al Qaeda because that is the popular opinion that will win her votes and allow her to obtain power for its own sake. (if 95% of the people were in favor of the war, we know she would be too), whereas Rudy would probably beat the insane islamofascists over the head with a crowbar himself.

Yes, they are both pro-killing a helpless infant and that bothers me. But it's not fair to say they are identical.


26 posted on 03/18/2007 11:43:06 PM PDT by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: FairOpinion
George W. Bush has socially conservative opinions but he avoids confrontation with the cultural left the way cats avoid water. Even when he does the right thing he feels compelled to do it in an apologetic, almost cringing way that empowers his enemies and dispirits his supporters.

I love W, but this is true.

27 posted on 03/18/2007 11:43:20 PM PDT by paudio (WoT is more important than War on Gay Marriage!)
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To: Sherman Logan
"They didn't need someone to protect their lives from rampant crime?"

Violent Crime was on the decrease BEFORE Rudy took over. Rudy just got rid of the homeless people and such. He used over 70,000 strip searches to harass them. The guy is a little dictator but that's what you want I guess.

Make the trains run on time Papa Rudy!
28 posted on 03/18/2007 11:44:27 PM PDT by bluecollarman (Rudys not really a conservative now, he's just a liberal in drag.)
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To: Eric Blair 2084

Rudy is on record that he will appoint judges like Scalia and Alito, and TEd Olson is validating that, while we all know what kind of judges Hillary will appoint.


29 posted on 03/18/2007 11:45:42 PM PDT by FairOpinion (Victory in Iraq. Stop Hillary. Stop the Dems. Work for Republican Victory in 2008.)
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To: FairOpinion

It wasn't because of Rudy it probably had more to do with that idiot before him. He is the one that added the extra policemen.

Of course they did kill a few innocent folks on Rudy's watch.


30 posted on 03/18/2007 11:47:43 PM PDT by bluecollarman (Rudys not really a conservative now, he's just a liberal in drag.)
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To: FairOpinion
The fact that Giuliani could win social conservatives by defending the right to disapprove of homosexuality and attacking Roe v. Wade doesn't mean that he will. If he does, however, his campaign might well prove unstoppable. It will be interesting to see how he chooses to proceed.

The money quote. He is right that Giuliani is a fighter, and he's right that a fighter is of greater value than someone with the right opinions who won't fight.

On the war, I trust Giuliani to be a fighter. On social issues, I haven't seen anything to make me think Giuliani will fight for the moral underpinnings of civilization if it means going up against Roe v Wade, for example. The writer's analysis is sharp and clear but probably wishful thinking.

I am not one of the ones who will write Giuliani off without hearing him out, as I have said the war is my bottom line and on the war I trust Giuliani to fight.

But on every other issue I consider him to be a Lieberman Republican, and if he's president we'll have 4 or 8 years of rear-guard fighting on every social issue we care about. I do not trust him to put constitutionalists on the Supreme Court, and thats almost as important as the war if we are to survive as a constitutional republic.

At this stage there are a couple of other people I believe will also fight, and who agree with me on most social issues as far as I can tell; I am supporting Hunter, and when Gingrich runs his mouth, I like what I hear. I haven't forgotten how he screwed up during impeachment, but I also haven't forgotten the shellacking he gave Clinton when he enacted his "Contract for America" over Clinton's furious resistance. Clinton was reduced to taking credit for Gingrich's project.

31 posted on 03/18/2007 11:47:52 PM PDT by marron
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To: FairOpinion

Here's where social conservatives can get tripped up. If Rudy is truly committed to appointing strict consructionist it doesn't matter if he's not a social conservative because in the long run those unelected judges can yield enormous dividends.


32 posted on 03/18/2007 11:48:39 PM PDT by TheThinker
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To: Eric Blair 2084
[... Hillary is a closet Socialist who is on tape accidentally proclaiming her true agenda with the "I want to take those profits..." rant against the oil companies. ..]

Most conservatives are Socialist also.. since (SSA)Social Security is PURE SOCIALISM.. not kind of like socialism but abject PURE socialism.. and conservatives are FOR Social Security..

33 posted on 03/18/2007 11:49:03 PM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole)
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To: TheThinker
"If Rudy is truly committed"

Don't worry he's just pandering.

34 posted on 03/18/2007 11:50:07 PM PDT by bluecollarman (Rudys not really a conservative now, he's just a liberal in drag.)
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To: FairOpinion

The Bush administration’s first attorney general, John Ashcroft, asked the Justice Department’s top legal minds to study whether the Second Amendment protected an individual right. DOJ’s office of legal counsel reviewed the Second Amendment’s text, as well as its historical origins as far back as 17th century England, and concluded that: “the Second Amendment secures a personal right of individuals to keep and bear arms, not a collective right that may only be invoked by a State or a quasi-collective right restricted to those persons who serve in organized militia units.”

They filed this memorandum with the USSC as the government opinion on the meaning of the second amendment. And we all know what recently happened in the DC Federal courts. Victory!

The Bottom Line | The message for gun owners is obvious--elections matter. They matter from the bottom of the government to the top, from the smallest issue affecting gun owners to the largest. In the critical elections of 2008, pro-Second Amendment candidates can only win if gun owners rally in support of those candidates who support our rights.

Is this a battle you are ready to concede?


Do you think Rudy will declare support for this memorandum? And will continue it on as the official policy of the Federal government?

My point is that I expect Republicans will show more backbone against a democrat gun grabber then they would one of their own party. If Rudy is the nominee then constitutional conservatives face a lose, lose situation. It couldn't come at a worse time either.


35 posted on 03/18/2007 11:50:14 PM PDT by KDD (Ron Paul for President)
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To: FairOpinion
Rudy is on record that he will appoint judges like Scalia and Alito, and TEd Olson is validating that, while we all know what kind of judges Hillary will appoint.

Only an idiot could buy this crap.

"Presidents, going back to the beginning of the republic, generally appoint people on the Supreme Court that they believe agree with them." - Rudy Giuliani

"Most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine." - Rudy Giuliani

"COLMES: Now, Roe vs. Wade -- You are pro-choice. How important is it to you as a pro-choice Republican to have a pro-choice on the court as someone...

GIULIANI: That is not the critical factor. And what's important to me is to have a very intelligent, very honest, very good lawyer on the court. And he fits that category, in the same way Justice Ginsburg fit that category.

I mean, she was — she maybe came at it from a very different political background, very qualified lawyer, very smart person."

36 posted on 03/18/2007 11:53:55 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Rudy wants to move the GOP to Guyana and create Utopia - Drink up everyone!)
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To: marron

Lieberman is very liberal on every issue but the war.

Rudy is a fiscal conservative and a REAL law and order guy.

For social conservative issues, the only thing the president can impact is the judges and Rudy said he would appoint judges like Scalia and Alito and Ted Olson vouches for him. That should be good enough for everyone.

Reagan, Bush I, Bush II, were/are staunch pro lifers and the only thing they were able to do is to appoint the right kind of judges, and even they didn't get each one right. So the fact that they were prolife didn't really have any more impact, than what Rudy will do in appointing judges who focus on the law, instead of activism.


37 posted on 03/18/2007 11:54:07 PM PDT by FairOpinion (Victory in Iraq. Stop Hillary. Stop the Dems. Work for Republican Victory in 2008.)
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To: Eric Blair 2084

Here! Here! Let the vigorous copy/pasting of talking points begin!!


38 posted on 03/18/2007 11:56:27 PM PDT by incredulous joe ("It is a damn poor mind indeed which can think of only one way to spell a word." -- Andrew Jackson)
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To: EternalVigilance

"GIULIANI: That is not the critical factor"


39 posted on 03/18/2007 11:56:54 PM PDT by FairOpinion (Victory in Iraq. Stop Hillary. Stop the Dems. Work for Republican Victory in 2008.)
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To: FairOpinion
Reagan, Bush I, Bush II, were/are staunch pro lifers and the only thing they were able to do is to appoint the right kind of judges, and even they didn't get each one right

It's amazing to me, the lack of logic. We couldn't get decent judges even out of them, but somehow, we're going to do better by selecting a nominee whose policies are, by his own admission, very similar to the Clintons. *barf*

40 posted on 03/18/2007 11:57:29 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Rudy wants to move the GOP to Guyana and create Utopia - Drink up everyone!)
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