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The consequential case of Jesica Santillan
Raleigh News & Observer ^ | 2/25/07 | Keith Wailoo

Posted on 03/21/2007 9:20:12 PM PDT by Huntress

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Studies show that immigrants come here for jobs. A recent study by the Texas comptroller argued that the taxes paid by undocumented immigrants more than cover the state services they use.

What about private medical providers, Mr. Wailoo? Are they paid for the the services rendered to illegal aliens?

1 posted on 03/21/2007 9:20:14 PM PDT by Huntress
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To: Huntress

An 'undocumented immigrant' is an 'illegal alien that is breaking out law.


2 posted on 03/21/2007 9:26:23 PM PDT by Dustbunny (The BIBLE - Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth)
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To: Huntress

I never take seriously any claims people make without backing them up. This guy uses the "studies show" line of BS, without saying which studies and from where.


3 posted on 03/21/2007 9:28:44 PM PDT by fr_freak
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Studies show that immigrants come here for jobs. A recent study by the Texas comptroller argued that the taxes paid by undocumented immigrants more than cover the state services they use...sophistry - many might come for jobs, but those who do still soak up plenty of free medical care - and those who do pay taxes may pay enough to cover the cost of services they receive - but did the comptroller bother to look at how many never paid taxes......
4 posted on 03/21/2007 9:31:20 PM PDT by Intolerant in NJ
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To: Huntress

Is this guy on the same planet as the rest of us?


5 posted on 03/21/2007 9:31:53 PM PDT by freekitty
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To: Huntress

Is this guy on the same planet as the rest of us?


6 posted on 03/21/2007 9:32:17 PM PDT by freekitty
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To: fr_freak

Okay, illegals pay the taxes to cover their "healthcare." Now, unto the burden they create in DWL, DWI, and DUI acccidents with fatalities. For starters.


7 posted on 03/21/2007 9:33:55 PM PDT by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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"Okay, illegals pay the taxes to cover their "healthcare."

And if the illegal aliens hadn't stolen the jobs rightfully belonging to American citizens, American citizens would have paid those taxes to pay for their healthcare.


8 posted on 03/21/2007 9:38:43 PM PDT by baubau (BOYCOTT Bank of America for Issuing Credit Cards to 3rd World Illegal Aliens.)
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You're rigght. I shoulda put "pay" in quotations...


9 posted on 03/21/2007 9:41:02 PM PDT by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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To: Huntress
Federal statistics:

Estimated first-year cost of a heart transplant, $391,000.

I wonder what the first-year cost goes up to when a lung transplant is added.
10 posted on 03/21/2007 9:42:45 PM PDT by ruination
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How many children does the typical illegal have in school?

Just one family with three kids is receiving nearly $30,000 in state services every year they are in school. How many working illegals without children does it take to pay that back in taxes?

I do not believe that they pay anywhere near what they cost us in just education expenses. Now add medical care, law enforcement, court time and prison time and is way over the top.


11 posted on 03/21/2007 9:45:48 PM PDT by DB
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The first year cost for a heart-lung transplant is estimated to be $640,800. (pdf)

I wonder why Keith Wailoo didn't bring that issue up.
12 posted on 03/21/2007 9:58:10 PM PDT by ruination
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To: Intolerant in NJ

I googled Texas undocumented workers and health care and came up with a study by the Texas comptroller published last December. Carole Keeton Strayhorn issued the study which said undocumented workers added $1.58 billion in state revenue and used $1.16 billion in state services. In the same paragraph, in fact immediately following those figures, the article also states "However, local governments bore the burden of about $1.44 billion in uncompensated health care costs and local law enforcement costs not paid for by the state." So the good professor cherrypicked the study and disregarded the costs that the state does not directly pay through general funds.


13 posted on 03/21/2007 10:10:57 PM PDT by caseinpoint (Don't get thickly involved in thin things.)
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Pay their own way? How about that illegal with the 3 or 4 kids in the public schools at $10-12000 a pop here in Portland. Ain't no way they pay their way overall. What about the extensive use of OHSU for the birth of their children?

Nam Vet

14 posted on 03/21/2007 10:59:50 PM PDT by Nam Vet ( The original point and click interface was a Smith & Wesson.)
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That is BS. My husband makes way more money than an illegal, the taxes he pays could not cover the cost of childbirth and healthcare for our entire family. And why are hospitals closing at such a rapid rate? Cause the illegals don't pay.


15 posted on 03/22/2007 4:06:32 AM PDT by panthermom (DUNCAN HUNTER 2008)
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Gee, wonder who's SS# is being used to pay those taxes? What form of ID is the mother using to get her health insurance and a job?


Where's the GD Barf Alert?


16 posted on 03/22/2007 4:46:26 AM PDT by wolfcreek (Semi-Conservatism Won't Cut It)
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To: Huntress

#3 may be the only one that makes sense but he is only guessing?


17 posted on 03/22/2007 11:00:58 AM PDT by art_rocks
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My husband makes way more money than an illegal, the taxes he pays could not cover the cost of childbirth and healthcare for our entire family.

If the author is to be believed, the costs were borne by a combination of her mother's health insurance, and a private benefactor (whose name was given, btw).

18 posted on 03/22/2007 11:12:50 AM PDT by r9etb
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I never take seriously any claims people make without backing them up. This guy uses the "studies show" line of BS, without saying which studies and from where.

Here is the Texas Comptroller's report. (You could easily have found it yourself, you know.... the guy did reference it pretty specifically. I found it on the very first try.)

The report states that there are significant costs associated with illegal immigration. On balance, however, report concludes that:

The Comptroller’s office estimates the absence of the estimated 1.4 million undocumented immigrants in Texas in fiscal 2005 would have been a loss to our Gross State Product of $17.7 billion. Also, the Comptroller’s office estimates that state revenues collected from undocumented immigrants exceed what the state spent on services, with the difference being $424.7 million

So ... will you take his claim seriously now?

19 posted on 03/22/2007 11:19:38 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: r9etb

I wasn't talking about Jessica, I was talking about the Texas Comptrollers claim. Also, there is another post on this thread where someone actually looked up the report and pointed out that the reporter cherry picked this claim.


20 posted on 03/22/2007 12:01:29 PM PDT by panthermom (DUNCAN HUNTER 2008)
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