Baptist: Giuliani won't get our votes

News and Observer ^ | 3/22/07 | Yonat Shimron

[pissant]

A top leader in the Southern Baptist Convention predicted that former New York mayor Rudolph Giuliani would not succeed in winning the votes of Southern Baptists if he were to become the Republican nominee for president in 2008.

In brief comments after a chapel service at the North Carolina legislature on Wednesday, Richard Land, the president of the Southern Baptist Convention's Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission, said former U.S. House speaker Newt Gingrich would likely fail for the same reason.

"Three is one marriage too many for them," said Land, referring to the 16.4 million members of the Southern Baptist Convention, the nation's largest Protestant group. Both Giuliani and Gingrich have been married three times.

A friend and adviser to President Bush, Land keeps close watch on politics as head of the commission, which studies moral, social, and religious liberty issues for the convention.

Though Southern Baptists are independent and do not necessarily follow his counsel, Land said three others who have already entered the presidential fray were more likely to win support among Southern Baptists. Those three are Sam Brownback, a Republican Senator from Kansas, Michael Huckabee, the former Republican governor of Arkansas, and Duncan Hunter, Republican Congressman from California.

As for Mitt Romney, the former governor of Massachusetts, who is a Mormon, Land didn't rule him out. But, he said, the Republican hopeful has to convince the American people that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints won't dictate his policy. Land said he met with Romney recently and told him: "That's not a hill that can't be climbed. But you're going to have to climb it."

Finally, Land said he sensed that U.S. Senator John McCain was perceived as a wild card.

"People are uncomfortable with his predictability," said Land. "They tell me, 'We don't know how he's going to come down on the issues.'"

[TommyDale]

Do you realize that in many churches today, you would not be allowed to sing that song, "Redeemed"? It mentions the "Blood of the Lamb". That scares people, you know. (/slightly sarcastic, but true.)

[pissant]

Here is the most complete article on the "scandal" to which you refer.

http://www.pulitzer.org/year/2006/national-reporting/works/copley09.html

Good luck convincing folks that what he did was corrupt. Pork maybe, but if that is the case, all members of congress would be in jail. $7000 in campaign contributions over several years is peanuts.

[yield 2 the right]

Mine eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the Lord;
He is trampling out the vintage where the grapes of wrath are stored;
He hath loosed the fateful lightning of His terrible swift sword;
His truth is marching on.
Glory! Glory! Hallelujah! Glory! Glory! Hallelujah!
Glory! Glory! Hallelujah! His truth is marching on.

I have seen Him in the watch fires of a hundred circling camps
They have builded Him an altar in the evening dews and damps;
I can read His righteous sentence by the dim and flaring lamps;
His day is marching on.
Glory! Glory! Hallelujah! Glory! Glory! Hallelujah!
Glory! Glory! Hallelujah! His day is marching on.

I have read a fiery Gospel writ in burnished rows of steel;
“As ye deal with My contemners, so with you My grace shall deal”;
Let the Hero, born of woman, crush the serpent with His heel,
Since God is marching on.
Glory! Glory! Hallelujah! Glory! Glory! Hallelujah!
Glory! Glory! Hallelujah! Since God is marching on.

He has sounded forth the trumpet that shall never call retreat;
He is sifting out the hearts of men before His judgment seat;
Oh, be swift, my soul, to answer Him! be jubilant, my feet;
Our God is marching on.
Glory! Glory! Hallelujah! Glory! Glory! Hallelujah!
Glory! Glory! Hallelujah! Our God is marching on.

In the beauty of the lilies Christ was born across the sea,
With a glory in His bosom that transfigures you and me:
As He died to make men holy, let us live to make men free;
[originally …let us die to make men free]
While God is marching on.
Glory! Glory! Hallelujah! Glory! Glory! Hallelujah!
Glory! Glory! Hallelujah! While God is marching on.

He is coming like the glory of the morning on the wave,
He is wisdom to the mighty, He is honor to the brave;
So the world shall be His footstool, and the soul of wrong His slave,
Our God is marching on.
Glory! Glory! Hallelujah! Glory! Glory! Hallelujah!
Glory! Glory! Hallelujah! Our God is marching on.

[Labyrinthos]

"Three is one marriage too many for them," said Land, referring to the 16.4 million members of the Southern Baptist Convention, the nation's largest Protestant group. Both Giuliani and Gingrich have been married three times.

And Rush has been divorced three times.

[WalterSkinner]

..I don't object to being called an evangelical--but I know what you mean :)

[Terriergal]

LOL! I hear you. This is silly.

Yeah, I just look at the number of divorces a person has to judge their character. Yep yep. we're all that simple. d'oh.

Hillary has a lot more baggage than just a crappy marriage she stuck out.

[Terriergal]

good one. Thanks for that. the Judge not verse is always taken out of context, chewed up, spit out, and twisted in some kind of salvador-dali-esque form.

[Terriergal]

The electorate is clearly alienated from conservatives and isn't going to be accepting a strong conservative in the next two years.

So we should cave to them instead of them to us?

[WalterSkinner]

Blood of the Lamb". That scares people, you know.

..spoke about that very thing in Bible study recently...

[Terriergal]

Is the Southern Baptist convention out of sexual therapy yet?

And alongside the trusty false dichotomy we have the very handy ad hominem...

[Terriergal]

Have you delivered this message to the Rudybots who have posted dozens of pro-Rudy articles here daily?

Shh Shh! Don't say that. They might hear you!

don't ask silly questions!~

[politicalwit]

"And Rush has been divorced three times."

Rush is an entertainer. I hope you don't listen to Rush for moral guidance.

[HitmanLV]

Works for me.

[Politicalmom]

I consider Giuliani a HORRIBLE result.

He continues to defend his support of abortion, gun grabbing,
and marching in parades with NAMBLA. He is completely unacceptable.

[pissant]

My only issue regarding Rudy is that he not win the GOP primary. That is my rationalization. I do not feel good or bad about it. It comes completely natural to me to want him to lose and work to that end.

I cannot trust a man for prez who treats the 2nd amendment as a frivolous typo in the constitution. Nor that claims to be Roman Catholic yet cannot see the horror of infantacide. Nor that promotes hate crimes laws and broke the already lax laws on illegal immigration.

How you rationalize not working to see him bumped out of the primary is your business, I guess.

[Terriergal]

But saying someone isn't Catholic or whatever their faith is is not yours to say

Ok, he's not a good Catholic.

I'd have no problem with people saying I'm not a good Catholic, or I'm not a Catholic at all. No skin off my nose.

(I'm technically 'Lutheran,' I suppose, but they could say I'm not and it still wouldn't bother me...)

[HitmanLV]

What you say is true, but not particularly important if a poor slob's wife comes home and tells him she is leaving. He can't force her to stay. He probably doesn't even want to.

[gesully]

Good thinking. Giuliani is pro-choice. Hillery is pro-choice. Sit out. You just voted for Hillary and got something much worse than Giuliani.

Get over the issue of abortion. The president doesn't have any power over other than to nominate judges. Do you want Hillary nominating judges with a democrat-controlled Congress?

Are you principled stupid?

[Terriergal]

This guy probably wouldn't vote for Thomas Jefferson or George Washington either. I couldn't care less what he thinks.

So why are you here?

[ItisaReligionofPeace]

So, they'll abstain and they'll let Hillary and Obama win?