Posted on 03/23/2007 6:41:15 AM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007
Dear zarf,
I hope he doesn't become president. I certainly will not vote for him. I don't think he is fit to be President of the United States.
But I thought he was a pretty good mayor.
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Will you vote for him against Hillary if it comes to that choice?
As a presidential candidate, I'd give him an F.
Yes, that makes him marginally better than Hillary Clinton, but that's only because I'd give her an F-.
They hate him because he is ruthless. He will not suffer fools; leaker's or insubordination and he will strong arm those in his way.....including the teachers unions.
I stopped right there
Hillary won't, the mainstream media won't. You need to be able to answer the critics, not ignore them.
As a result, Giuliani's popularity plummeted again in the spring of 2000. He was almost a laughingstock when he withdrew from his Senate campaign against Hillary Clinton. The official reason given was the Mayor's diagnosis of prostate cancer, but even conservative writers like William Safire in the New York Times and Robert Bartley in the Wall Street Journal had urged him not to run in pointed columns focused on his chaotic personal life. In May 2000 Giuliani looked like a control freak who had lost control of himself.
There are no "facts" to dispute here. Only insults and slander.
Rudy was not a "laughingstock" when he withdrew from the race. He was a man fighting cancer, and most people understood that. The Nation may consider prostate cancer an "excuse" that was given, but that Rudy did have prostate cancer cannot be disputed, and he did undergo treatment. What "fact" has The Nation put forth in this excerpt??
That Rudy "looked like a control freak who had lost control of himself" is an opinion, not a fact. That William Safire advised him not to run is a fact, but what does that prove, except that Safire had an opinion.
Where's the beef?? :)
Sorry, that's not a refutation of the article. :)
I think that view is complete rubbish, however such is your right to sit out the vote.
Barret is a Village Voice reporter and a leftie, which does not necessarily make what he writes factually inaccurate. It's tidbits like the one below that turned my stomach- and I voted for Rudy when I lived there.
"On August 3, 1999, Giuliani wrote a nasty letter to Crew and leaked it to the tabloids, together with a blind quote from an aide saying, "It seems he's got one foot out the door." This was the same day that Crew was burying his first wife, Angela, in a private ceremony in upstate Poughkeepsie. Crew had to respond to press calls before delivering his eulogy."
Rudy never did seem to understand that there is this thing called society which included these newfangled creatures called people with whom you do high-faultin' stuff like communicate. :) I liked some of his policies but his personality never rubbed me the right way.
Oh and this is my first post, hope I did it right.
I guess if you think that throwing more and more money at the public school system, (which now teaches children about global warming and other such liberal pet projects) is the way to go, then you will agree with The Nation and disagree with Rudy.
If you think that redistribution of taxpayer money, rather than bringing teaching standards up is the way to go, then you will agree with The Nation and disagree with Rudy.
If you can't see the liberal spin that permeates this entire article, then I cannot help you separate fact from fiction.
Yes, it is. And a good one. :)
Actually, we want the Rudy supporters to tell us what is wrong with it.
You of all people should know what happens when supporters of a candidate don't effectively respond to articles in the Nation, no matter how rediculous we think they are.
I will say that as a libertarian-leaning conservative when it comes to government authority and power (and the use and abuse of that power) the story of Desmerond always bothered me, even when it first happened, because leaking sealed court records to discredit people attacked by government agents is a serious issue.
We all understand the issue of Hillary and Bill and the 900 FBI files, and how they used the power of thier office to attack people by leaking personal information (like with Linda Tripp).
This incident shows Rudy to have the same ethical standard when defending his administration.
It is good that all these things are getting written now. They will be old news by the time the election rolls around. It is a natural part of the vetting process, and the reason why these candidates are out there early. The candidates like Gingrich and Thompson are hoping to jump in later because they want to avoid the scrutiny. Best to get it over with early and move on.
The article reluctantly acknowledges that New York City was improved under Giuliani's leadership. What they fail to point out is how seemingly an impossible task it was. Look at Washington DC for the past 30 years. Before Giuliani, the two cities were roughly parallel in debt, crime, decadence, etc. Imagine someone turning around Washington DC. That is the magnitude of what Giuliani accomplished, and that big picture really will not be degraded with a lot of personal scandal and inside baseball particulars.
Here's just one example of hyperbole:
'Sometimes it felt like he was trying to put the whole unruly, diverse city through obedience training, as he......, put up barricades at busy street crossings to modify pedestrian behavior'
I lived in New York at the time, and this was just one example of a simple common sense thing that needed to be implemented in order to avoid gridlock in the city.
It's kind of hard to explain, but imagine a four lane 5th Avenue going south, and a 2 lane 45th street going east. Now imagine a red light for 5th avenue (there is no independent walk light where all lanes are stopped.) So when the 45th street drivers are trying to turn right onto 5th avenue they were blocked during the WHOLE DURATION of their green light because of the pedestrians crossing on the south crossing, instead of the north one (where they didn't block traffic.)
It was a simple obvious solution, but someone had to get down to street level and implement it, and Guiliani did.
(and then all the newspapers started whining how he's a control freak...)
Well, lets hope that Rudy does a better job of picking people to work for his administration than he did picking his 2nd wife then.
Who knew that The Nation had so many fans at FR?? :)
So that when it is used against our nominee after we stupidly choose him, the supporters of Rudy have something smarter to say in respons than "Why post this trash".
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