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Why Did Global Warming Become a Moral Matter?
http://www.americanthinker.com/printpage/?url=http://www.americanthinker.com/2007/03/why_did_global_warming_become.html ^ | Tim Thorstenson

Posted on 03/23/2007 11:40:19 AM PDT by ventanax5

As a scientist, I find the current strategy of the global warming crusade to be fascinating. Particularly because I am a scientist, I also find it insulting. Everyone should find it very disturbing.

I am referring to the fact that the global warming issue is now regarded as a "moral" matter by its advocates. None other than The High Priest of Global Warming (Al Gore) has decreed it as such. Of course, there is some obvious humor in this because the liberals will also tell you that you "cannot legislate morality". Well, it does not take complicated logic to conclude that if global warming is indeed a moral matter and if it is true that you cannot legislate morality, then it should hold that you cannot legislate global warming.

But making funny distracts us from a deeper concern that should worry anyone who wants to see the truth remain relevant in the matters that face our society. To see this deeper danger, let us forget about global warming for just a moment and consider morality in very general terms.

There are numerous ways to define morality, but one that is particularly helpful here is to regard morality as the "lens" through which one views the facts. Morality should not be used to simply deny the facts; and people who really understand morality do not use it that way. Rather, they use morality to put the facts in a proper context. Morality tells them "what to make of the facts".

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: algore; globalwarming

1 posted on 03/23/2007 11:40:20 AM PDT by ventanax5
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To: ventanax5

brilliant post. I love the quasi-religion reference.


2 posted on 03/23/2007 11:43:27 AM PDT by GOP_Muzik (If all the world's a stage then I want different lighting)
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To: GOP_Muzik

It's not a quasi-religion, it's a full-blown one. It's as scientific as Scientology is, but no more. When you forbid anyone to question the tenets of your faith, you're no longer dealing in science, you're dealing in religion.


3 posted on 03/23/2007 11:51:57 AM PDT by Doug Loss
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4 posted on 03/23/2007 11:52:14 AM PDT by xcamel (Press to Test, Release to Detonate)
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To: ventanax5

Making a "moral" argument out of Global Warming takes away all science and leaves just emotions. Truth doesn't matter, only feelings matter.......thus my tagline du jour....


5 posted on 03/23/2007 11:54:09 AM PDT by Red Badger (If it's consensus, it's not science. If it's science, there's no need for consensus......)
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To: ventanax5

He doesn't understand that it is a "moral" matter within the religion of Global Warming. Every religion has its own morality code, and this is in the code of the Global-Warming religion -- the Chruch of What's Happening Now.


6 posted on 03/23/2007 11:55:13 AM PDT by expatpat
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To: Doug Loss
When you forbid anyone to question the tenets of your faith, you're no longer dealing in science, you're dealing in religion cultism.

Corrected.
7 posted on 03/23/2007 11:55:45 AM PDT by rottndog (If you don't believe in the abolition of government run schools, your views aren't radical enough.)
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To: GOP_Muzik
Once upon atime, Ted Haggard tried to make green an Evangelical issue.

Evangelicals Will Not Take Stand on Global Warming
The Greening of Evangelicals
Evangelical Leaders Join Global Warming Initiative

8 posted on 03/23/2007 11:57:27 AM PDT by delacoert
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To: ventanax5

One aspect of this that the author doesn't touch on is the "Bush factor." I am absolutely convinced that Bush's skepticism about global warming is one of the factors that motivated global warming proponents to ratchet up the rhetoric and demonize anyone who expressed any reservations about the reality, causes, or effects of global warming.


9 posted on 03/23/2007 11:57:50 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: ventanax5
American morality has until the 1960's been based solely on the Judeo-Christian values found in the Bible. Once we started abandoning those principles, morality became whatever we wanted it to be. And since man is "born in sin, shapen in iniquity", and "The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?", we quickly find ourselves on the "wide path to destruction". That is why only when God delivers "whoseover will" from their fallen state, will love, joy, and peace be restored eternally to creatures once again "in His image and likeness". As long as this fallen world persists, with Satan "going about as a roaring lion, seeking whom he may to devour", man will be in a consistent state of "trouble like the sparks that fly upward" from a fire.
10 posted on 03/23/2007 11:58:17 AM PDT by HisKingdomWillAbolishSinDeath (All the horns of the wicked also will I cut off; but the horns of the righteous shall be exalted.)
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To: ventanax5

ALL liberal issues are moral - that's why they don't need the tenets of traditional religion, they have their own.


11 posted on 03/23/2007 12:00:44 PM PDT by Let's Roll ("the left is rearranging the beach to make sure the tsunami comes in as unimpeded as possible." -)
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To: ventanax5

In this case 'why' is a valid question. 'Why' implies purpose, choice, and falls into the field of Ethics. That global warming has some of the trappings of religious matters does not make it religious nor its followers, but appearing in moral choice is possible outside religion. Global warming would not present a moral choice however, since that is an individual perquisite, but a state choice, which is possibly ethical. However, 'why' is not a scientific question and that a scientist asks it does not make it scientific.


12 posted on 03/23/2007 12:02:08 PM PDT by RightWhale (Treaty rules;commerce droolz; Repeal the Treaty)
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To: ventanax5

because it is now a religion and Al Gore the High Priest.


13 posted on 03/23/2007 12:02:28 PM PDT by NavyCanDo
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To: ventanax5
He may be a scientist, but this piece goes to show that "being a scientist" does not necessarily equate with being able to reason outside of his chosen field.

Thorstenson apparently doesn't even recognize the fact that he's actually making a moral argument of his own -- which rather unfortunately concedes the point against which he's trying to argue.

Moreover, the controversy in question has to do with the assumption that human actions -- essentially voluntary ones -- play a role in global warming. And, on the other side, there's the questions of suppressing dissent, false reporting on both sides, and so on.

Of course there's a moral component to the debate.

14 posted on 03/23/2007 12:09:58 PM PDT by r9etb
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To: ventanax5
it is exactly what the liberals have always (unfairly) accused us conservatives of doing

The fellow makes many good points, but this isn't one. The charge is not unfair at all. One need merely read a FR crevo thread to see it. And I will say further, that even on AGW there are many conservatives who cannot view it as a scientific matter but only as a necessarily political one. But political vs. moral matters not, there's no essential difference in the behavior.

15 posted on 03/23/2007 12:13:58 PM PDT by edsheppa
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To: ventanax5
Why Did Global Warming Become a Moral Matter?

So that the masses would give up their freedom and their money willingly?

16 posted on 03/23/2007 12:14:47 PM PDT by wayoverontheright
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To: Steve_Seattle
One aspect of this that the author doesn't touch on is the "Bush factor."

I agree. If Bush is for it, then you have to be against it. There is never a middle ground where you can meet. You have to fully demonize Bush and everything he believes in, period.

17 posted on 03/23/2007 12:21:01 PM PDT by Elyse (I refuse to feed the crocodile.)
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To: ventanax5

It's never been a moral mater. It's always been a means to advance socialism.


18 posted on 03/23/2007 12:22:43 PM PDT by BuffaloJack
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To: ventanax5
I don't think the author has quite posed the problem correctly. If global warming is real, and will have serious negative consequences, and if it is largely caused by human activity, then it IS a moral matter. What he is trying to say, I think, is that global warming has become an "idee fixe" - an obsession - for many people, and that this prevents them from even considering whether there is evidence against it, and allows them to demonize the global warming skeptics. The problem is not that the issue might have moral ramifications, but that it has become such an emotionally laden topic for some people that they have become impervious to contrary facts.
19 posted on 03/23/2007 12:39:02 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: ventanax5; Miss Marple

As a geologist I would like everyone to google "oolite".

See what happens to exess CO2 in the atmosphere.


20 posted on 03/23/2007 1:12:44 PM PDT by CPT Clay (Drill ANWR, Personal Accounts NOW.)
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To: ventanax5

Because AGW alarmism is the output of Gaia worship.


21 posted on 03/23/2007 1:18:09 PM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: ventanax5

Because algore said so. And because there are only 20 million Americans left due to global cooling.

At least that's what was claimed at the first Earth Day celebration.


22 posted on 03/23/2007 1:25:27 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: CPT Clay
And I only live 45 miles from Oolitic, Indiana!

Thanks!

23 posted on 03/23/2007 1:44:27 PM PDT by Miss Marple (Prayers for Jemian's son,: Lord, please keep him safe and bring him home .)
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To: ventanax5

How can there be a carbon indulgence market if it's not a moral issue?

Follow the money.


24 posted on 03/23/2007 1:47:28 PM PDT by NeoCaveman (The Hunt for Fred November)
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To: ventanax5
Why Did Global Warming Become a Moral Matter?

Why? Because the Left have no actual moral foundation, yet they know that most people do. By declaring Global WarmingTM to be a Moral Matter, they hope to scoop up support from some sheep who aren't cynical enough about the Legacy Media and leftist politicos.

The left isn't really sure what morality is, but they know it drives the decisions of many people. They'd really like to tap into that power.

25 posted on 03/23/2007 1:55:51 PM PDT by TChris (The Democrat Party: A sewer into which is emptied treason, inhumanity and barbarism - O. Morton)
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To: ventanax5

Evidence I have seen regarding Global Warming:

1) It's happening, period.
2) Likely catalyst of Global Warming is the sun and solar cycle activities and we happen to be in one.
3) Man may indeed have accelerated the process, but we should be more concerned about increased cancer from pollution we breathe in and stopping carbon emmissions from that stand point.
4) Global warming will harm the economy, but as far as man is concerned over the long-haul, a warmer planet spurs population growth of all species.

I am concerned that man is even fathoming methods to prevent the next global warming cycle now. We are just learning how the patterns of global warming, weather and our solar system all inter-relate. We are hundreds of years away from being morally and technical advanced as a species to even attempt to disupt a process that has occurred for 2 billion years.


26 posted on 03/23/2007 2:05:23 PM PDT by quantfive
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To: quantfive

I didn't know that CO2 cause cancer. My god I'll get cancer because I exhale CO2. I got to stop breathing.


27 posted on 03/23/2007 7:20:19 PM PDT by steveab
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To: ventanax5

Excellent exposure of the intellectual dishonesty surrounding global warming.


28 posted on 03/23/2007 10:48:07 PM PDT by TigersEye (For Democrats; victory in Iraq is not an option!)
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