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"Ya Got trouble Right Here in Oklahoma City!" [Another Effort at Homeschool Regulation]
Oklahoma Council On Public Affairs Magazine ^ | March 2007 | Dr. Bruce N. Shortt

Posted on 03/23/2007 12:25:32 PM PDT by achilles2000

Ya Got Trouble Right Here in Oklahoma City! by Bruce N. Shortt

Oklahoma’s crack team of government educators, the folks who spend billions of dollars a year to achieve heretofore unknown levels of semiliteracy and illiteracy among otherwise normal children, periodically take time out from their educational misfeasance to offer ominous warnings that we’ve got trouble – terrible, terrible trouble – lurking in homeschooling homes all across the state. But as was the case with the flimflam of a certain “Professor” Harold Hill, these warnings are just part of a swindle...

(Excerpt) Read more at ocpathink.org ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Oklahoma
KEYWORDS: education; homeschooling; publicschools
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It seems the government school folks never tire of trying to fix what isn't broke while ignoring their own failures...
1 posted on 03/23/2007 12:25:36 PM PDT by achilles2000
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To: metmom; cinives; BlackElk; wintertime

FYI


2 posted on 03/23/2007 12:28:08 PM PDT by achilles2000 (Shouting "fire" in a burning building is doing everyone a favor...whether they like it or not)
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To: DaveLoneRanger

My state.


3 posted on 03/23/2007 12:28:31 PM PDT by 2Jedismom (Expect me when you see me!)
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To: achilles2000
1. Reading: 75 percent of Oklahoma’s 4th-graders cannot read at grade level, with an astonishing 40 percent not being able to read at even a basic level. By 8th grade, 75 percent of Oklahoma’s children still cannot read at grade level, with 28 percent being unable to read at even a basic level.

2. Mathematics: 71 percent of the state’s 4th-graders are below grade level in math, with 21 percent lacking even a basic grasp of mathematics. By 8th grade math illiteracy is burgeoning in Oklahoma: 79 percent of students are below grade level in math, with 37 percent lacking even a basic understanding of mathematics.

3. Science: 76 percent of the state’s 4th-graders are below grade level, with 30 percent lacking even a basic knowledge of science. By 8th grade, 75 percent of Oklahoma’s children are below grade level, with an amazing 33 percent lacking a basic grasp of the subject.

This is exactly why we homeschooled when we lived in Oklahoma (our nearest Catholic school was almost 45 minutes away). Now we have our daughter in a top-notch Catholic school here in S. Indiana, and they beat the pants off the local schools in standardized test scores and other areas.

4 posted on 03/23/2007 12:31:56 PM PDT by Hoosier Catholic Momma (Just doing the procreating other Americans won't do: Baby #4 due 10/8/07)
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To: Hoosier Catholic Momma

It is a pity that Vatican II cut support for the Catholic school system. In 1960, the Catholic system was bigger than the public system in Chicago. Everyone would be better off if they had not capitualated to the public school crowd.


5 posted on 03/23/2007 12:37:31 PM PDT by achilles2000 (Shouting "fire" in a burning building is doing everyone a favor...whether they like it or not)
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To: Hoosier Catholic Momma

It is a pity that Vatican II cut support for the Catholic school system. In 1960, the Catholic system was bigger than the public system in Chicago. Everyone would be better off if they had not capitualated to the public school crowd.


6 posted on 03/23/2007 12:37:32 PM PDT by achilles2000 (Shouting "fire" in a burning building is doing everyone a favor...whether they like it or not)
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To: achilles2000

"Never mind, further, that a study of 7,000 homeschooled adults found, among other things, much higher levels of civic involvement, participation in higher education, and life satisfaction among homeschooled adults than among adults who were not homeschooled."

Well now we know why they want to stop home schooling!


8 posted on 03/23/2007 12:47:17 PM PDT by stockpirate (Rudy Giuliani, John McCain and Mitt Romney, are liberals masquerading as conservatives.)
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To: Cailleach

ping


9 posted on 03/23/2007 12:50:04 PM PDT by kalee (The offenses we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we write in marble. JHuett)
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To: achilles2000
Fixed the source link.

When this came up, you never saw such an uprising! Oklahoma has a very large homeschooling community and they started taking action. I got back some great emails, mostly very supportive of homeschool rights from the committee that would've heard this.

However, I got THIS in an email (and several of my friends did too) from my state Senator Nancy Riley.

As we struggle to comply with Pres. Bush’s No Child Left Behind policy, the state must know where its children are in regard to academic structure.

Excuse me? Homeschooled children in Oklahoma are not the "state's children."

Nancy Riley was formally a Republican, who switched parties after running for Lt. Gov. She didn't like the way the Republican party treated her, she said. (Source)

I want her out and if I do nothing else the next time she comes up for re-election, I'm working to get her out.

10 posted on 03/23/2007 12:52:11 PM PDT by 2Jedismom (Expect me when you see me!)
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To: 2Jedismom

Thank you for fixing the link! Homeschoolers need to be very serious about rewarding their political friends and PUNISHING their political enemies. Glad to see Riley is on your radar.


11 posted on 03/23/2007 1:03:09 PM PDT by achilles2000 (Shouting "fire" in a burning building is doing everyone a favor...whether they like it or not)
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To: achilles2000
I believe that we need a Constitutional amendment enumerating the rights of parents. Specifically, the right to:

Determine the appropriate education be it private, public or home school for their children as long as they child can be shown to meet or exceed the education of an averages student of either the appropriate grade or age level.

Restrict the materials that will be show to, or used to educate the child or what activities the child can or can not participate in.

Discipline the child in a manner that does not endanger the health or injure the child

Restrict and determine the speech, associations and religion of their children
12 posted on 03/23/2007 1:03:57 PM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: taxcontrol

I agree, but it is a steep hill to climb. I think that a more practical approach is to take another 20% of children out of the government schools, which would deligitimize them politically and send them into financial cardiac arrest. Government schools delenda est. (with apologies for my poor Latin).


13 posted on 03/23/2007 1:08:55 PM PDT by achilles2000 (Shouting "fire" in a burning building is doing everyone a favor...whether they like it or not)
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To: taxcontrol
I believe that we need a Constitutional amendment enumerating the rights of parents. Specifically, the right to:

Those rights are already included in the Federal Constitution in that the federal government is not granted the power to infringe upon them, therefore it does not have such a power. Now, whether those in charge of interpreting the Constitution correctly recognize that fact is another question entirely, but if the black robe types won't interpret the current Constitution properly, an amendment certainly won't help.
15 posted on 03/23/2007 1:18:01 PM PDT by fr_freak
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To: taxcontrol; JenB; TalonDJ

I believe I teach my boys a very well-rounded and thorough education...but I support the right of a person to teach perhaps a not so "traditional" education is they want.

For example, a Wiccan, who chooses to educate their child in the ways of organic farming by the phases of the moon should be able to do so without government interference, if that child is able to grow up and provide for themselves without government assistance. How do you know they can? Well, how many Wiccan homeschoolers are signing up for government assistance? Is there a trend?

If not...if homeschoolers are providing for themselves, paying their fair share of taxes and not taking anything from the government, then the government has no right to regulate them.

I submit that if one were to wander down to their local welfare office, it won't be a bunch of homeschoolers lined up signing up for aid.


16 posted on 03/23/2007 1:21:49 PM PDT by 2Jedismom (Expect me when you see me!)
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To: taxcontrol

I want the government 100% completely out of homeschool families' living rooms. If there is child abuse occurring there are laws in place to stop that. Otherwise, leave us alone.

No "as long as children are performing to some standard" nonsense. No curriculumn approval. No certification. No teacher supervision. I don't even want the government knowing the kids exist!


17 posted on 03/23/2007 1:29:34 PM PDT by JenB
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To: achilles2000

Thank *you* for posting this article. I've definitely passed it on!


18 posted on 03/23/2007 1:33:07 PM PDT by 2Jedismom (Expect me when you see me!)
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To: JenB

I agree. As soon as our highly trained education professionals open their mouths, the response should be "No." ...the polite response, that is ;-)


19 posted on 03/23/2007 1:38:30 PM PDT by achilles2000 (Shouting "fire" in a burning building is doing everyone a favor...whether they like it or not)
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To: JenB

I agree. As soon as our highly trained education professionals open their mouths, the response should be "No." ...the polite response, that is ;-)


20 posted on 03/23/2007 1:38:32 PM PDT by achilles2000 (Shouting "fire" in a burning building is doing everyone a favor...whether they like it or not)
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