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CALIFORNIA: Judge rules state must stop running water pumps
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | 3/23/7

Posted on 03/23/2007 12:56:48 PM PDT by SmithL

Officials must first get permission to kill protected wildlife -

The state must stop running the giant pumps that send water to Southern California unless wildlife officials approve the continued killing of protected salmon and Delta smelt, a judge ruled today.

The decision by Judge Frank Roesch of Alameda County Superior Court gives the state Department of Water Resources 60 days to get the necessary permission from wildlife officials. Granting permission could, in turn, require massive efforts to increase salmon and smelt populations elsewhere.

Many environmentalists blame the exporting of Northern California water for causing sharp declines in the number of some fish species in the Sacramento-San Joaquin River Delta. The pumps operated by the state are located near Tracy and send water to the San Joaquin Valley and Southern California.

(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...


TOPICS: Front Page News; Government; US: California
KEYWORDS: activistjudge; animalrights; environment; esa; nowaterforyou; water
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1 posted on 03/23/2007 12:56:50 PM PDT by SmithL
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To: SmithL

so astounding I can't help but laugh... thanks be that I don't live in that wacko state.


2 posted on 03/23/2007 12:58:20 PM PDT by theDentist (Qwerty ergo typo : I type, therefore I misspelll.)
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To: SmithL

Welcome California to water restrictions like us in Texas.


3 posted on 03/23/2007 12:59:20 PM PDT by BigTex5
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To: SmithL

Nothing like being slapped with a dead fish!...........


4 posted on 03/23/2007 12:59:21 PM PDT by Red Badger (If it's consensus, it's not science. If it's science, there's no need for consensus......)
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To: theDentist

These idiots do realize they are hastening their own demise, don't they?


5 posted on 03/23/2007 12:59:36 PM PDT by Domicile of Doom (Hey boy why is there dirt in my hole? I dunno Boss.)
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To: theDentist

Ummmm....if they turn off the pumps, how many humans will die?


6 posted on 03/23/2007 12:59:58 PM PDT by patton (ETS? Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione.)
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To: Domicile of Doom

Something smelt fishy about this.,...........


7 posted on 03/23/2007 1:01:25 PM PDT by Red Badger (If it's consensus, it's not science. If it's science, there's no need for consensus......)
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To: theDentist

The judge didi it for the halibut. now, Californians are left floundering for a sole-ution........


8 posted on 03/23/2007 1:02:29 PM PDT by Red Badger (If it's consensus, it's not science. If it's science, there's no need for consensus......)
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To: patton

I don't know, but think of all the other water-related necessities.... toilets, showers, bath-houses (hmmm, that may be a good thing), car washes, lawns, flowers, pools, bubblers, etc. All this because a judge cannot put things in perspective.


9 posted on 03/23/2007 1:04:33 PM PDT by theDentist (Qwerty ergo typo : I type, therefore I misspelll.)
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To: SmithL

Um...so what am I supposed to drink? Ocean water?


10 posted on 03/23/2007 1:05:34 PM PDT by The Blitherer (What the devil is keeping the Yanks? Duncan Hunter for President '08!)
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To: patton
Ummmm....if they turn off the pumps, how many humans will die?

None. But southern Californians might have to replace their lawns with rocks and cactus.

It's actually a bigger threat to central valley farming.

I'm willing to bet this doesn't apply to turning off the pumps when the rivers are near flood. Just turning them down during the dry season.

Lame reporters.

11 posted on 03/23/2007 1:05:39 PM PDT by Dinsdale
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To: SmithL

Has anyone every actually proved that the pumps suck in a significant number of fish? Most salmon head north up the Sacramento to spawn, not down into the Delta where the pumps are. Plus, if the intakes for those pumps did not screen out fish and other things in the water, they'd get fouled and the transported water would be putrid.


12 posted on 03/23/2007 1:05:50 PM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: The Blitherer

< Sam Kinnison > Move out of the desert! < /Sam Kinnison >


13 posted on 03/23/2007 1:07:50 PM PDT by Dinsdale
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To: patton
how many humans will die?

They're not an endangered species, dontcha know.

14 posted on 03/23/2007 1:08:34 PM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: SmithL
OOOOOOhhhhh....Delta smelt! Yummy!

LOL!

15 posted on 03/23/2007 1:09:34 PM PDT by Cold Heat (Mitt....2008)
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To: GOP_1900AD
It's the salt water intrusion into the delta that causes the most problems.

The southern Californians want to dig a canal around the delta so they can suck unlimited water from further up steam.

Northern Californians having watched what happened to the Owens valley say 'Not a chance in hell, pave over your lawns!'

At the end of the day you can caste this as enviro kook vs. S. Cal but it's not.

It's fisherman vs. farmer, with all of Northern Cal basically saying, 'No more summer water available hear, move along.'

16 posted on 03/23/2007 1:14:27 PM PDT by Dinsdale
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To: The Blitherer
Um...so what am I supposed to drink? Ocean water?

Haven't you seen the GE commercials? They've been making ocean water drinkable for years now. Try as they might the environmentalist can never hold us down.
17 posted on 03/23/2007 1:15:15 PM PDT by Jaysun (I took one look at her unfashionable eyebrows and thought to myself, "she's literally crazy.")
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To: Red Badger

For such baaad puns I throw at you this old worn sneaker (a family tradition).

18 posted on 03/23/2007 1:17:55 PM PDT by theDentist (Qwerty ergo typo : I type, therefore I misspelll.)
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To: Jaysun
It's basically possible to trade a barrel of oil (or any other energy source) for a barrel of fresh water.

That's rarely a good trade.

19 posted on 03/23/2007 1:19:13 PM PDT by Dinsdale
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To: theDentist

Filet of Sole?..............


20 posted on 03/23/2007 1:20:06 PM PDT by Red Badger (If it's consensus, it's not science. If it's science, there's no need for consensus......)
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To: The Blitherer

Well...

As a native Northern Californian (Lincoln/Rocklin/Auburn), I haven't much sympathy for people who build a city in the desert and expect the rest of us to send our irrigation water south to keep their swimming pools full.


21 posted on 03/23/2007 1:21:03 PM PDT by Doohickey (Rudolph Giuliani: metro-American)
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To: Dinsdale

Salt water intrusion is due to subidence of the land in the Delta area due to ground water pumping and peat compaction combined with dredging. Also, damming the southern Sierra rivers did not help (they were dammed mostly for things like the Friant Kern district, etc).


22 posted on 03/23/2007 1:23:18 PM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: Doohickey
As a native Northern Californian (Lincoln/Rocklin/Auburn), I haven't much sympathy for people who build a city in the desert and expect the rest of us to send our irrigation water south to keep their swimming pools full.

So you'd rather everybody move North TO the water instead of bringing the water here?

23 posted on 03/23/2007 1:23:21 PM PDT by The Blitherer (What the devil is keeping the Yanks? Duncan Hunter for President '08!)
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To: patton

"Ummmm....if they turn off the pumps, how many humans will die?"

That's probably the point.


24 posted on 03/23/2007 1:23:49 PM PDT by freekitty
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To: SmithL

So lawns will get a little brown and pools will go empty, big deal. SoCal could use a little water discipline, they're drinking the Colorado River dry every year.


25 posted on 03/23/2007 1:24:12 PM PDT by Zeroisanumber (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: SmithL

Water?...fish...water?...fish... water?...fish


26 posted on 03/23/2007 1:32:07 PM PDT by lucky american (We cannot direct the wind but we can adjust the sails)
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To: SmithL
The irony is that Sodom-by-the-Bay and El Lay pretty much decide elections in California.

People get the government they deserve.

If agriculture in the California Central Valley withers, they can always get their veggies from Mexico...

27 posted on 03/23/2007 1:42:54 PM PDT by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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To: SmithL

The problem isn't water or water pumps - these are symptoms - but lousy government who doesn't give a damn about governing wisely.

I doubt there will ever again be a government in the US that governs to avoid problems rather than create them.


28 posted on 03/23/2007 1:46:34 PM PDT by AZRepublican ("The degree in which a measure is necessary can never be a test of the legal right to adopt it.")
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To: The Blitherer

That's okay. Y'all seem to have managed to mess up the entire state remotely :).

Plus, I don't live there anymore...


29 posted on 03/23/2007 1:48:15 PM PDT by Doohickey (Rudolph Giuliani: metro-American)
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To: Doohickey
Y'all seem to have managed to mess up the entire state remotely

Ack, don't get me started on the hippies in NorCal...

Plus, I don't live there anymore...

Lucky you. Really!

Hopefully I'll be in Virginia soon myself.

30 posted on 03/23/2007 1:53:00 PM PDT by The Blitherer (What the devil is keeping the Yanks? Duncan Hunter for President '08!)
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To: Dinsdale
<Sam Kinison>You live in a desert! </Sam Kinison>

Don't encourage them! They might descend on flyover country like a biblical plague of locusts.

That was one of Kinnison's best bits.

Kinison and world hunger (00:04:50 into the clip)
31 posted on 03/23/2007 1:57:58 PM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: Dinsdale
It's basically possible to trade a barrel of oil (or any other energy source) for a barrel of fresh water. That's rarely a good trade.

I don't undersrtand your point.
32 posted on 03/23/2007 2:01:56 PM PDT by Jaysun (I took one look at her unfashionable eyebrows and thought to myself, "she's literally crazy.")
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To: George W. Bush

California does provide a continuing political entertainment show for the rest of the country.

Smelt, whatever the hell they are, are more important than the residents of basically the southern 2/3rds of the entire state.


33 posted on 03/23/2007 2:04:16 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: theDentist

Hey, I used to live in northern California. We always felt we needed to succeed from the southern part. They take all our water and vote liberal...


34 posted on 03/23/2007 2:06:32 PM PDT by John123 (Bill barely mentions Hillary in his memoirs... I will now light myself on fire)
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To: Red Badger
Kip Adada...is that you?
35 posted on 03/23/2007 2:06:39 PM PDT by 4yearlurker (forbidden fruit creates many jams.)
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To: The Blitherer
Um...so what am I supposed to drink? Ocean water?

I got two words for you... desalination plants. :)

36 posted on 03/23/2007 2:07:30 PM PDT by John123 (Bill barely mentions Hillary in his memoirs... I will now light myself on fire)
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To: Jaysun
It takes a lot of energy to desalinate water.

You trade oil (or gas or coal) for fresh water.

37 posted on 03/23/2007 2:07:47 PM PDT by Dinsdale
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To: The Blitherer
Um...so what am I supposed to drink? Ocean water?

Of course, you just combine the Water Desalinization plant with the power plant with the oil production and the refinery. Just like they have been doing for several years.

Oh wait, that is not California. I was think of a more pro-development business location. They do the above in Saudi Arabia.

38 posted on 03/23/2007 2:12:14 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: The Blitherer
Um...so what am I supposed to drink? Ocean water?

I've read that you can live off drinking your own urine for quite some time.

It's just a thought. You know, maybe a lemon twist and some ice, well, try to be creative.
39 posted on 03/23/2007 2:15:53 PM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: SmithL

It's been decades since I lived in CA, but as I recall, a significant percentage if not the majority of water in So. Cal. comes from No. Cal...this could close down So. Cal.


40 posted on 03/23/2007 2:17:56 PM PDT by highlander_UW (I don't know what my future holds, but I know Who holds my future)
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To: Domicile of Doom
These idiots do realize they are hastening their own demise, don't they?

The environmental wack jobs that pursue these lawsuits pretty much appear to be anti-human. They consider their own race to be a plague on the earth.

41 posted on 03/23/2007 2:18:21 PM PDT by untrained skeptic
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To: John123

secede?


42 posted on 03/23/2007 2:19:18 PM PDT by SmithL (si vis pacem, para bellum)
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To: Doohickey

Fair enough....I haven't much sympathy for people who build a city on a hill in Earthquake territory...let them pay their own reconstruction bills after the next major shaker...

I haven't much sympathy for people who have property around the river delta...let them pay ALL the money to rebuild the levy system....

I haven't much sympathy for...(fill in your own instance of Northern Cal leaching tax dollars from Southern Cal)...


43 posted on 03/23/2007 2:20:59 PM PDT by rottndog (If you don't believe in the abolition of government run schools, your views aren't radical enough.)
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To: John123
The environmentalists are trying to squash a desalinization plant in Oceanside because it will harm the salt water fishies.
44 posted on 03/23/2007 2:21:11 PM PDT by Francis McClobber
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To: The Blitherer
Um...so what am I supposed to drink? Ocean water?

I suspect that if Southern California is suddenly deprived of water, that this judge may find himself drinking some ocean water.

From a tugboat, on the river going slow
A cement bag is dropping on down
You know that cement is for the weight dear
You can make a large bet Mackie's back in town 

45 posted on 03/23/2007 2:23:53 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: rottndog
Fine you keep your tax dollars, we'll keep our water.

We'll see who cries uncle first.

46 posted on 03/23/2007 2:24:19 PM PDT by Dinsdale
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To: Dinsdale

Um...we live next to an ocean....desalinization is the wave of the future....

You can't pull money out of the ocean though, and the Northern California Socialist's toilet will dry up and die very quickly without subsidies from the south....

Sounds like a deal to me---YOU'RE ON!


47 posted on 03/23/2007 2:28:16 PM PDT by rottndog (If you don't believe in the abolition of government run schools, your views aren't radical enough.)
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To: rottndog
Right. Where are you going to get the power to run the desalination plants? Mexico? I know you S. Cal libs will just vote it in and not worry about details.

Northern California has a perfectly fine tax base thanks. We'll continue to do great.

What percent subsidy do your statistics say S. Cal supports the north? .001% or so? What % of S. Cals water comes from the good parts of the state? 50% or so?

48 posted on 03/23/2007 2:35:54 PM PDT by Dinsdale
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To: Izzy Dunne

"Dear Abby" said that once in defense of abortion vs. protecting the whales (or some such species). Really!


49 posted on 03/23/2007 3:11:47 PM PDT by TenthAmendmentChampion (Pray for our President and for our heroes in Iraq and Afghanistan, and around the world!)
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To: GOP_1900AD
STOP IT! Too much common sense is dangerous to a liberal's health and endangers their very existence.
50 posted on 03/23/2007 3:20:15 PM PDT by EndWelfareToday (Live free and keep what you earn. - Tancredo or Hunter)
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