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.."JOURNEY from the FALL".. MoviePremieres = Fall of Saigon CLARITY..
.."JOURNEY from the FALL".. Website ^

Posted on 03/24/2007 4:59:00 PM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE

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After appearing in the Sundance & Newport Beach Film Festivals, and being awarded serveral Awards in the process, the ImaginAsian Motion Picture Production .."JOURNEY from the FALL".. finally premieres across America.

This film accurately and sadly shares the horrible human consequences resulting from the 1975 Fall of Saigon. A Fall brought about when a post-WATERGATE Democrat Congress cut off all our funding for the then Free South Vietnamese People to fight for their own Freedom with against Communist invaders.

This just as the Communist Soviet Union gave $6 Billion in military aid, according to uncovered KGB Files, to Communist North Vietnam for its planned 'Final Solution' in the South. Translating into over 600 Soviet tanks and 1,000's of Artillery pieces making their way down the Ho Chi Minh Trail to a quick Victory of the South..

600 tanks is more tanks then Gen. GEORGE PATTON needed to win World War II with in Europe.

In this new time of war, in a new Century, with our own Freedom now directly at stake right here at home...

...what prices are to be paid by the Free after another Democrat Congress cuts off all funding again for the Free to fight for their own Freedom with..?

Signed:.."ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965

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.."JORNEY from the FALL".. is a Motion Picture MUST see for all who LOVE Freedom.

For this time around,

...History must NOT be repeated.

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1 posted on 03/24/2007 4:59:03 PM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE
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To: All; smoothsailing; freema; fatima; kristinn; NYer; RonDog

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.."JOURNEY from the FALL".. Website

http://www.JourneyfromtheFall.com




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2 posted on 03/24/2007 5:03:01 PM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: ALOHA RONNIE

I was intimately involved in the aftermath. I lived and worked in a refugee camp. I sit and re-read letters sent to me by those who passed through the camp.

I am preparing a letter to all the cut and run Ratz.


They will not like it.


3 posted on 03/24/2007 5:08:34 PM PDT by Al Gator (Refusing to "stoop to your enemy's level", gets you cut off at the knees.)
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To: All; smoothsailing; reformjoy; ThanhPhero; angkor; Calpernia; Lexington Green; ExTexasRedhead

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Pictures of a vietnamese Re-Education (SLAVE LABOR) Camp

http://www.Freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1308949/posts



(Pictures from .."JOURNEY from the FALL".. that were posted on the above Freerepublic.com Forum Thread ...4 Months before its 1st Preview ...in Little Saigon, California. Marking the 30th Anniversary of the Fall of Saigon)



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4 posted on 03/24/2007 5:15:44 PM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: ALOHA RONNIE

I've been waiting to see this. Thank you for letting us know.


5 posted on 03/24/2007 5:21:25 PM PDT by Ros42
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To: All; ThanhPhero; kristinn; Jimmy Valentine's brother; miltonim; JoeSixPack1

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.."JOURNEY from the FALL"..

Little Saigon's Nguoi-Viet Newspaper Photos/Article reporting on the March 21st Westminster, California Premiere & coming Theater Openings on the March 23rd Weekend across America...

http://www.nguoi-viet.com/absolutenm/anmviewer.asp?a=57412&z=1




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6 posted on 03/24/2007 5:28:01 PM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: ALOHA RONNIE
Image hosted by Photobucket.com UP...
7 posted on 03/24/2007 5:47:17 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist ??)
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To: ALOHA RONNIE

I don't go to movies much, 2 in the last 5 years but I want to see this one. Unfortunately there is little chance that it will ever be in a theater within a hundred miles of here so I have to wait and hope for DVD.


8 posted on 03/24/2007 5:51:09 PM PDT by ThanhPhero (di hanh huong den La Vang)
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To: ALOHA RONNIE
I alway thought it odd that the Russians were more wary of direct Chinese involvement in the war more than we were. For us it would have been a problem, for the Russians a major disaster.
9 posted on 03/24/2007 5:56:15 PM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult (The man who said "there's no such thing as a stupid question" has never talked to Helen Thomas.)
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To: ALOHA RONNIE
Photo Sharing and Video Hosting at Photobucket

10 posted on 03/24/2007 6:33:20 PM PDT by smoothsailing (http://www.gatheringofeagles.org/)
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To: All; Ros42; marron; fella; js1138; Ditto; ozzymandus; RobbyS

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"JOURNEY from the FALL": VC tried to block this movie

http://www.Freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1669262/posts



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11 posted on 03/24/2007 6:51:08 PM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: All; Ros42

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..........3 Heroes of the Battle of IA DRANG-1965...............



..BRUCE CRANDALL = Medal of Honor..

http://www.ArmchairGeneral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=48215



RICK RESCORLA = Help Honor 911 Lifesaving Hero

http://www.ArmchairGeneral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24361



HAL G. MOORE = The Lessons and Legacy of an American Warrior

http://www.ArmchairGeneral.com/forums/showthread.php?p=643879




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12 posted on 03/24/2007 8:39:14 PM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: ALOHA RONNIE
This film accurately and sadly shares the horrible human consequences resulting from the 1975 Fall of Saigon. A Fall brought about when a post-WATERGATE Democrat Congress cut off all our funding for the then Free South Vietnamese People to fight for their own Freedom with against Communist invaders...slowly, slowly the truth is getting out - military historians now are pretty much in agreement that the Tet Offensive, unlike what we were told in the press originally, was a stunning defeat for the North Vietnamese - the loud-mouths of the Boomer generation, which gets so much of its sense of its own moral superiority from its anti-war activities, will continue to try to bury the facts about Vietnam and how much they really hurt the US and all of southeast asia with their actions, but movies such as this will help future generations know what really happened - and there's nothing the Boomers can do to stop it.......
13 posted on 03/24/2007 9:28:07 PM PDT by Intolerant in NJ
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To: Intolerant in NJ


Version 2.0 coming soon, brought to you by the Democratic Majority in Congress.
14 posted on 03/24/2007 9:31:27 PM PDT by Kozak (Anti Shahada: " There is no God named Allah, and Muhammed is his False Prophet")
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To: smoothsailing

Like "The Lost City" which shows the true face of Communism, I'm sure this movie won't even get a second's worth of consideration from the Oscar people.


15 posted on 03/24/2007 9:39:42 PM PDT by dfwgator (The University of Florida - Championship U)
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To: All; Intolerant in NJ; Mia T; Richard Poe; reformjoy; Alamo-Girl

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The same WALTER CRONKITE who declared our TET Offensive Victory a defeat on National Television...

...later on went to a year 2000 London World Conference to publically call for our 11 Southern States to SECEDE from our Union.

The same WALTER CRONKITE that is pushing hard for HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON to become our next President of the United States.

The same HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON who pushed so hard for Communist North Vietnam's Victory over a then Free South Vietnam during the Vietnam War.

The Future is NOW.

Please help spread the word about the "JOURNEY from the FALL" they helped cause.


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16 posted on 03/25/2007 7:26:41 AM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: All; dfwgator

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.."JOURNEY from the FALL"..

..is a first rate Motion Picture that appeals to a general audience, even though spoken in Vietnamese ..with English subtitles.

It's ..'ABANDONMENT in Time of War'.. Message is that compelling, especially now with our own Freedom directly at stake right here at home.

The stuff that true Art is made of.



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17 posted on 03/25/2007 8:49:24 AM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: Jim Robinson; 1COUNTER-MORTER-68; 1stbn27; 31M20RedDevil; 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub; afnamvet; ...

Thank you, Aloha Ronnie, for posting this information.

I hardly ever ping my list of Vietnam veterans, but seem to have more occasions to do so of late, so here goes....:)

See links in posts 2 and 11.


18 posted on 03/25/2007 12:01:25 PM PDT by La Enchiladita (Hunter/Poe 2008 "Once again, our government is on the wrong side of the border war")
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To: Intolerant in NJ

I was an advisor to an ARVN Tank Squadron. The consequences of the Democrat sellout of the Republic of Viet Nam had very human faces. I still remember them.

CPT., ARMOR
MACV, Class of '71


19 posted on 03/25/2007 12:11:35 PM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: ALOHA RONNIE
Good morning.
"...History must NOT be repeated."

BUMP!!!

This time, will the RATs have the decency to put a bullet in their own heads when millions die as a result of their actions? No, of course not.

Michael Frazier
20 posted on 03/25/2007 12:15:22 PM PDT by brazzaville
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To: La Enchiladita; ALOHA RONNIE
Doubtful it'll show in any theater over here.....and that includes the University theater, sadly. But somewhere there will be a DVD to purchase and I'll be looking for it.

Aloha Dita!
Thanks for the heads up.

Aloha Ronnie!

If the Lao Dong Party doesn't like this movie, it must be good. Sat Cong!
21 posted on 03/25/2007 12:23:03 PM PDT by BIGLOOK (Keelhauling is a sensible solution to mutiny.)
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To: BIGLOOK
Aloha, BigLook...Doubtful it'll show in any theater over here.....Da kine, eh?!

Searching the listings here on the left coast, mainland...it's playing about 50 miles south of me.

22 posted on 03/25/2007 12:32:54 PM PDT by La Enchiladita (Hunter/Poe 2008 "Once again, our government is on the wrong side of the border war")
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To: ALOHA RONNIE

Thanks for the ping....what a disgrace then....and it appears that this generation of traitors disguised as congress critters is trying to do the same.


23 posted on 03/25/2007 12:37:30 PM PDT by RVN Airplane Driver ("To be born into freedom is an accident; to die in freedom is an obligation..)
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To: ALOHA RONNIE
I just viewed the trailer at the website link.

http://www.journeyfromthefall.com/TrailerLarge.aspx(Requires Quicktime Player-takes about 2 minutes for download.)

It is powerful, just a hint of the power of the movie itself, I'm sure.

24 posted on 03/25/2007 12:39:16 PM PDT by smoothsailing (http://www.gatheringofeagles.org/)
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To: Al Gator

I was still in the Army as Saigon fell. We were sitting on our duffle bags in Ft. Bragg waiting for orders that never came.

The lady that cuts my hair was one of the 'Boat People,' left Viet Nam when she was 14 and still cringes at memories of what she calls the "bad times."

I have tried to get some Vietnamese refugees to write stories of their escapes, what Viet Nam was like after the fall of Saigon, and relate them to today.

I guess the memories are too painful for them, but theirs is a story that needs told and told now!


25 posted on 03/25/2007 12:51:45 PM PDT by DakotaRed
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To: La Enchiladita

Liberals seem to like death and destruction. It’s happening again.


26 posted on 03/25/2007 12:57:37 PM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink)
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To: R. Scott
Liberals seem to like death and destruction.

So they do.

It’s happening again.

And so it is.

27 posted on 03/25/2007 1:01:35 PM PDT by La Enchiladita (Hunter/Poe 2008 "Once again, our government is on the wrong side of the border war")
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To: DakotaRed

About 10 years ago or so, I worked with 2 sisters and a brother who were Vietnam refugees. One night, during a break at work, the eldest sister related some hair-raising stories to me.

The children were able to get out of the country but not the parents. They were transported and somehow ended up in the Netherlands, sleeping in a field. They had no money, did not know what to do. I don't recall how they made it finally to America, but they did.

They lived together here in SoCal, and everyone worked at least 2 jobs, maybe 3 in some cases. They were saving for the day they could bring their mother to visit. Travel was still very restricted at that time. They did not want to go back. She did not want to live here.


28 posted on 03/25/2007 1:06:24 PM PDT by La Enchiladita (Hunter/Poe 2008 "Once again, our government is on the wrong side of the border war")
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To: ALOHA RONNIE

BTTT


29 posted on 03/25/2007 1:09:40 PM PDT by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: ALOHA RONNIE

VIETNAM VETERANS FOR ACADEMIC REFORM

The University of Kansas Student Auxiliary

The point:

"We know the media lied about Vietnam to further the goals of the leftist anti-war movement. We know Dan Rather and others lied about Bush to help the Democrats in 2004. Is it lying again to further an agenda of defeating the Republicans and getting the U.S. to abandon Iraq?"
excerpt...

Read the article at:http://www.v-v-a-r.org/




Protestors Wrong on Vietnam Then and on Iraq Now, Group Says
By Randy Hall
CNSNews.com Staff Writer/Editor
March 14, 2007

(CNSNews.com) - When thousands of people gather in Washington, D.C., on Saturday to protest the war in Iraq, a group of Vietnam veterans hopes to take advantage of what it sees as an "unprecedented opportunity" to expose "the massive lies told by the war protesters of the '60s" that are being used again today.

Leonard Magruder, president of Vietnam Veterans for Academic Reform (VVAR), would like to see Vietnam veterans distribute fliers during the demonstration with "documented facts that show how the war protestors of the '60s lied, and by recycling the same arguments again on March 17, will be lying again."

"Holding onto and perpetuating myths has too great a potential for creating another lethal, paralyzing polarization," Magruder argued in a letter this week. "We cannot win the war against terror with the campus building towards a polarization that could again paralyze a national effort."

The VVAR president cited the Vietnam Veterans Against the War website, which says: "The 58,000 U.S. soldiers who lost their lives in Vietnam and the millions of Vietnamese who were killed, died in a criminal war. The connection between Vietnam and Iraq could not be more clear. Iraq is also a criminal war of aggression."

"There they are again! Those toothless old hags of the protests of the '60s: 'criminal,' 'aggression,'" Magruder declared. "You can hurl these charges back in their faces on March 17 by handing out copies" of articles available at the VVAR website.

One document Magruder points to, called "Vietnam and the Media," provides "documentation from 21 standard histories and commentaries on the Vietnam War on how the media transformed a strategic American victory into a defeat, betraying the war effort."

"It's time the nation realize who the true 'criminals' are: the ones who betrayed Southeast Asia to tyranny and genocide," Magruder said.

Though not a Vietnam veteran himself, Magruder has been dealing with the fallout of the war for more than 25 years. He vividly recalls discussing the Vietnam War with students as a psychology professor in Long Island in 1981.

At the end of the semester, Magruder asked his pupils whether war had been just or "immoral," as war protestors had argued. To his surprise, 85 percent of the students said Vietnam had been a just war.

"Puzzled as to why the students of the 80's could see the truth so clearly, that there was nothing 'immoral' about defending South Vietnam against Communist aggression, while the students of the 60's could not, the students concluded that faculties, to serve their own largely leftist and Marxist ideologies, had misinformed their students, who in turn used the misinformation to serve their own purposes, primarily to avoid the draft," he said.

Magruder decided to resign from the university and join with local veterans to help found the VVAR.

'Facts are facts'

As Cybercast News Service previously reported, several veterans' organizations announced that they will be present during the March 17 protests to protect memorials from being damaged after an anti-war protest on Jan. 27 left steps and pavement outside the U.S. Capitol spray-painted with anarchist symbols.

In addition, the "These Colors Don't Run" caravan led by the conservative group Move America Forward is taking an eight-day, 3,500-mile trip to arrive in Washington, D.C., in time to counter the anti-war protests, which coincide with the fourth anniversary of the launch of the Iraq war.

John Zutz, a national officer with the Vietnam Veterans Against the War, told Cybercast News Service that the VVAR "can do whatever they want. They can say whatever they want. If they want to 'Swift Boat' it, let them. The facts are the facts."

The massacre of My Lai "is a fact. It happened," Zutz said. The execution of Vietnamese civilians by a U.S. Army unit called Tiger Force "was a fact. That happened for more than a year. The U.S. committed atrocities. Oh sure, the Vietnamese did, too, but that's what war is about.

"Innocent people get killed in war, and they're getting killed in Iraq today," he added. "Abu Ghraib is a fact. Guantanamo Bay is a fact. You can't argue with those."

Nevertheless, Zutz said neither he nor most of the Vietnam veterans he knows will take part in the march in D.C., because they will instead be holding their own peace march and rally at Fort Bragg in Fayette, N.C.

When scheduling the protest in Washington, D.C., the activists at International A.N.S.W.E.R. "didn't bother to ask us if we had anything going on that weekend," he noted. "We do."

Make media inquiries or request an interview with Randy Hall.

Subscribe to the free CNSNews.com daily E-Brief.

E-mail a comment or news tip to Randy Hall.

Send a Letter to the Editor about this article.

http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewNation.asp?Page=/Nation/archive/200703/NAT20070314a.html




30 posted on 03/25/2007 1:45:56 PM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: ALOHA RONNIE

"The Americans have broken their promise. They have left us."
(Long Nguyen, South Vietnamese resistance fighter)

for all who LOVE Freedom.

For this time around,

...History must NOT be repeated.


31 posted on 03/25/2007 2:00:41 PM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: ALOHA RONNIE
Refuges my ship picked p in 1981:


32 posted on 03/25/2007 2:03:26 PM PDT by RaceBannon (Innocent until proven guilty: The Pendleton 8...down to 3..GWB, we hardly knew ye...)
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To: RVN Airplane Driver

Same traitors. Just older.


33 posted on 03/25/2007 2:16:54 PM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: La Enchiladita

Thanks for the ping 'dita, might have missed it on a weekend. Agree with Biglook, Hawaii will probably boycott the movie. Will be looking.


34 posted on 03/25/2007 3:28:16 PM PDT by doorgunner69
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To: BIGLOOK

In Viet Nam you would be surprised at the attitudes of the old VCs you might meet. I heard things like,"Why did you leave us with these people?" " Why did you leave? we couldn't fight you." "I came from a rice village in the north and knew nothing. I fought the evil foreigner for 10 years before I learned I was fighting on the side of the real foreigners against our people." in Viet Nam "Vi Si" (VeeCee) is the universal word for government people.It is spoken with some bitterness. The Vietnamese, like the Koreans, are genetically small businessmen and have a natural affinity for America and Americans.


35 posted on 03/25/2007 4:12:36 PM PDT by ThanhPhero (di hanh huong den La Vang)
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To: RaceBannon
The diaspora has had one, perhaps unexpected, effect on the Viet Kieu, at least in the couple of communities with which I am familiar. The Chinese population, which did not run so much as it was pushed out, and the Kinh (ethnic Viets) are thoroughly mixed and all are Vietnamese now. Before 1975, the two groups were almost entirely separate and despised one another. There was little intermarriage. Their children and grandchildren here seem to have erased the distinctions with their parents' blessing. 20 years ago the Chinese refugees were reluctant to speak of their heritage but now it is as big a deal as us saying our forebears were Irish or Italian. And the attitude has changed in Viet Nam, also. It is like they all went through the fire together.

For a really fine vacation, go to Viet Nam. Take a tour or two then walk about for a few days in one of the smaller cities like Nha Trang or Phan Thiet and talk to anyone who would talk to you. Many have enough English that you can talk. It is all a tremendous ego boost, especially when you realize it is not just hype and the Dollar. When you get away from Sai Gon and the tourist industry you find that the people think America is the Promised Land and Americans are the Reason Why.

36 posted on 03/25/2007 4:29:11 PM PDT by ThanhPhero (di hanh huong den La Vang)
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To: ThanhPhero
I've heard from reputable sources that following the Fall of Saigon and the flight of Thieu, that the remaining Viet Cong were rounded up, disarmed and sent to reeducation camps along with the rest of the general population in SVN. The Lao Dong party ordered the NVA to neutralize the VC as a preventative measure stifling dissent, armed dissent.

With 'giac My' gone, the Lao Dong hedged their position.
37 posted on 03/25/2007 4:35:29 PM PDT by BIGLOOK (Keelhauling is a sensible solution to mutiny.)
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To: BIGLOOK

My observations about old VCs applies equally well to old NVAs. Old ARVNs and old VCs are sometimes still a little stiff with each other, though.
That was the real surprise to me when I went back in 03. I am going back again in May. There is a high school graduation that I promised to attend. I wish I could afford go back every year or just stay.


38 posted on 03/25/2007 5:24:05 PM PDT by ThanhPhero (di hanh huong den La Vang)
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To: All; RaceBannon

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You're going to bring so very much to and from "JOURNEY from the FALL" ..so very much, RaceBannon.

Thank you for being these massively suffering people's first light of hope back in 1981.

Pray for Freedom's return to Vietnam soonest, please.


AR

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39 posted on 03/25/2007 5:46:56 PM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: La Enchiladita

Thanks for the ping.


40 posted on 03/25/2007 7:10:30 PM PDT by zot (GWB -- the most slandered man of this decade)
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To: Intolerant in NJ

"...the loud-mouths of the Boomer generation..."

Just remember that the majority of the names on that long black wall also belong to Boomers. Many more thousands of us served who were fortunate enough to come home, but all of us left a little something of ourselves behind.
Making blanket statements blaming the baby boom generation for all the ills of the sixties insults and offend a great many fine and patriotic Americans. Please remember, our congress at that time was made up mostly of people of our parents' generation. There is plenty of blame to go around.


41 posted on 03/25/2007 7:23:21 PM PDT by beelzepug (...making a sound like Lurch)
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To: beelzepug
Making blanket statements blaming the baby boom generation for all the ills of the sixties insults and offend a great many fine and patriotic Americans...it wasn't a blanket statement about the Boomer generation - that's why I specified "loud-mouths of that generation" - I served during Vietnam too and reserve the right to lay the blame for the tragedies of that war where I think it belongs......
42 posted on 03/25/2007 8:25:22 PM PDT by Intolerant in NJ
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To: ALOHA RONNIE

Thanks for the ping!


43 posted on 03/25/2007 8:34:46 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Intolerant in NJ

"...which gets so much of its sense of its own moral superiority from its anti-war activities..."

As your sentence continued. Had you said "their sense", I would have understood you to mean just the loudmouthes. By saying "its sense", I took it to mean the whole generation.
You can reserve the right to blame the Pope or Bob Hope for all I care. You just ought to try to make yourself a little more clear. Some of us get a little touchy about stuff like that. I'm one of them.


44 posted on 03/25/2007 11:37:21 PM PDT by beelzepug (...making a sound like Lurch)
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To: DakotaRed

I see you're from Washington too. The gal (Kim) that cuts my hair on the Eastside is also a refugee from Vietnam. I would like to assume it is the same person, but sad to say I'm sure there are countless people with similar stories. I relate her story whenever some liberal bemoans how "Iraq is just a wortheless war like Vietnam".

After the North took over her Dad was taken down to the police station for questioning. Five years later they were told he was alive and at a re-education camp. The following year they were able to make visits when they could afford it. I think it was nine years total that he spent at the camp.

She remembers getting one small scoop of rice a day. Her older brothers got more because they had to work. Her baby sister died from starvation. She and her mom would spend the days begging.

And the same will happen in Iraq I fear. The hatred of Bush is obvious and similar in scope and style to the hate of Nixon. The Watergate style investigations have begun as I said they would (although obviously more scattered and hoping that SOMETHING will stick at some point or other).

The funding battles for the war are beginning. And just like Vietnam, we will have them on the road to recovery and strength (South Vietnam had some good victories as I recall AFTER we had left), and then we will yank the rug out from underneath them.

The only trouble is, it won't be boat people coming to our shores to work hard at being productive citizens, it will be terrorists working hard to destroy us.


45 posted on 03/26/2007 12:08:16 AM PDT by geopyg (Don't wish for peace, pray for Victory.)
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To: ALOHA RONNIE
It's interesting for me to watch people take information from today and use it to flog decisions made 40 years in the past. Then again, it's also laughable to compare the situation in 2008 Iraq to the situation in 1968 Vietnam. Or 1968 America with 2008 America.

Old men will always re-fight old wars, I guess.

46 posted on 03/26/2007 12:18:59 AM PDT by Zeroisanumber (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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I'm down South in Vancouver. The lady I'm talking about goes by the name 'Kathy,' now. She has 3 sons and I believe 2 daughters. Of the sons, two are in the Military, one been to Iraq and the other studying medicine. The other is still in school as are her daughters.

She also said she saw rapes of small girls and death from starvation in the camps.

I have written both Patty Murray and Maria Cantwell, as well as Brian Baird, asking them to meet with and discuss what these refugees went through before they ever cast any vote on withdrawal dates. All I ever received back from either Murray or Baird were simple form letter style emails informing me of their opposition. Cantwell has never replied at all.

If the Democrats succeed, what these people endured will look like child's play with what comes our way afterwards.


47 posted on 03/26/2007 12:28:23 AM PDT by DakotaRed
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To: Zeroisanumber
Old men will always re-fight old wars, I guess.

No, us "old men" are trying desperately to stop history from repeating itself, but in an even much worse fashion than it did before.

You would do well to seek out some Vietnamese refugees yourself and inquire what they went through after our Democrat led Congress of the time forced us to abandon them in their hour of need.

48 posted on 03/26/2007 12:31:58 AM PDT by DakotaRed
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To: DakotaRed
No, us "old men" are trying desperately to stop history from repeating itself, but in an even much worse fashion than it did before.

The only people who can stop that are generally a lot younger than you are and fighting over in Iraq. The war has been so badly mishandled at this point that only the memory of 9/11 and an understanding that leaving is somewhat worse than staying has kept the public in it this long. Even so, it's cost us as Americans the lives of thousands of our best and brightest, about 30-40% of our hardware, and billions of dollars. As conservatives, it's cost us Congress, our party unity, and will likely cost us the 2008 election.

And now, out of context and 40 years after the fact, I'm hearing about the Tet Offensive? What does the Tet Offensive have to do with Iraq? I start hearing about it and about how much all you all hate Walter Cronkite and I can't help but think that your eyes aren't on this war, but on a previous one.

You would do well to seek out some Vietnamese refugees yourself and inquire what they went through after our Democrat led Congress of the time forced us to abandon them in their hour of need.

I'm originally from Minnesota, and took advantage of the opportunity to speak to many Hmong who were veterans of the CIA's war in Laos.

49 posted on 03/26/2007 1:09:38 AM PDT by Zeroisanumber (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: Zeroisanumber
I'm hearing about the Tet Offensive? What does the Tet Offensive have to do with Iraq?

Like I said, history repeating itself.

After their defeat in the Tet of '68 Offensive," reports have stated that General Vo Ngyuen Giap was considering negotiating a surrender. He heard Walter Cronkite's news broadcast that we weren't winning after all and saw the unrest in America. Instead of surrender and ending the fighting, he changed his tactics and started targeting Americans more than he was.

Declassified KGB documents show that even they fed the anti-war left propaganda and lies, convincing them we were losing and committing heinous crimes.

North Vietnamese have now said that the anti-war left were "essential" to their victory.

Looking at today's media and resurgence of anti-war lefties, we see the same thing happening.

That is the history we are trying to stop from repeating itself.

50 posted on 03/26/2007 7:05:40 AM PDT by DakotaRed
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