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SMU profs protest intelligent design conference
Dallas Morning News ^ | 03/24/2007 | JEFFREY WEISS

Posted on 03/24/2007 10:28:12 PM PDT by SirLinksalot

Professors opposed to the Bush library aren't the only angry faculty members at Southern Methodist University this week.

Science professors upset about a presentation on "Intelligent Design" fired blistering letters to the administration, asking that the event be shut down.

The “Darwin vs. Design” conference, co-sponsored by the SMU law school’s Christian Legal Society, will say that a designer with the power to shape the cosmos is the best explanation for aspects of life and the universe. The event is produced by the Discovery Institute, the Seattle-based organization that says it has scientific evidence for its claims.

The anthropology department at SMU begged to differ:

"These are conferences of and for believers and their sympathetic recruits," said the letter sent to administrators by the department. "They have no place on an academic campus with their polemics hidden behind a deceptive mask."

Similar letters were sent by the biology and geology departments.

The university is not going to cancel the event, interim provost Tom Tunks said Friday. The official response is a statement that the event to be held in McFarlin Auditorium April 13-14 is not endorsed by the school:

"Although SMU makes its facilities available as a community service, and in support of the free marketplace of ideas, providing facilities for those programs does not imply SMU's endorsement of the presenters' views," the statement said.

The school also will review its policies about who is allowed to hold events on campus, Dr. Tunks said.

The size of the dispute reflects two ongoing battles about academic freedom and responsibility.

One is local: The concern that some SMU professors have that the proposed Bush library and an accompanying policy institute would create the impression that the school tilts politically toward the positions of the current administration.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: conference; creationisminadress; id; idjunkscience; intelligentdesign; smu
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To: Southack
If there is no bias in an event then there is no design. No bias means no Intelligent Design.

Can you name an object or phenomenon in nature other than radioactive decay that is without bias? I'm having trouble figuring out where you are going with this.

101 posted on 03/27/2007 10:31:45 AM PDT by js1138 (The absolute seriousness of someone who is terminally deluded.)
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To: SirLinksalot
The event is produced by the Discovery Institute, the Seattle-based organization that says it has scientific evidence for its claims.

They just won't let anybody see it.

(It's a secret.)

102 posted on 03/27/2007 10:34:29 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: <1/1,000,000th%

You have to be Clear.


103 posted on 03/27/2007 10:36:10 AM PDT by js1138 (The absolute seriousness of someone who is terminally deluded.)
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To: js1138

I am clear. Bill Murray said so in "Space Jam."

;)


104 posted on 03/27/2007 10:38:24 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: Coyoteman

Oh, excellent quote, Coyoteman...short, and directly to the point..


105 posted on 03/27/2007 11:17:10 AM PDT by andysandmikesmom
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To: SirLinksalot

Intelligent Design Conference

"These are conferences of and for believers and their sympathetic recruits," said the letter sent to administrators by the department. "They have no place on an academic campus with their polemics hidden behind a deceptive mask."

Vaginia Monologues

"We are committed to the principles of free speech, no matter the content"


106 posted on 03/27/2007 11:22:13 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: AppyPappy

You do have to ask yourself which is more unappetising: a gaggle of lawyers discussing religion, or a flock of hens ruminating about their privates.


107 posted on 03/27/2007 11:26:20 AM PDT by js1138 (The absolute seriousness of someone who is terminally deluded.)
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To: Southack
"That's incorrect. The author is showing in his math the *probability* for a sequence of data. You can apply that math to many fields/areas, such as to the sequence of codons that form DNA."

I didn't question the author's math. I doubt his input data.

"Since DNA has sequenced codons, the author's math holds true even though he wasn't there circa 3 billin years ago for the first DNA life form."

So you just guessed that life started with DNA? Why not with RNA? Why do you think it was always a tri-nucleotide sequences code? How can you justify your assumption? What are the most simple living chemical reactions?

What is the possibility for adenine, cytosine, guanine or Thymine? Never read about that anywhere. Is it just to simple to calculate it so everybody knows the answer?


But from the point on when life started you can't apply the author's simple math. Life went on with evolutionary algorithms.
108 posted on 03/27/2007 12:08:51 PM PDT by MHalblaub ("Easy my friends, when it comes to the point it is only a drawing made by a non believing Dane...")
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To: Coyoteman
"What is intelligent design? It's the missing link between creationism and religious instruction masquerading as biology. Bruce Bower, Science News, vol. 168 (Nos 26 & 27), 2006, p. 414."

No, Intelligent Design is a scientific theory that satisfactorily explains the origins of all modern genetically engineered animals (e.g. pigs growing human growth hormone).

109 posted on 03/27/2007 1:19:37 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: js1138
"Can you name an object or phenomenon in nature other than radioactive decay that is without bias? I'm having trouble figuring out where you are going with this."

The electromagnetic force has no external bias. Gravity has no external bias. The weak force, the strong force...no external bias. Thus, Gravity can attract without an injection of external intelligence.

As for your having trouble figuring it out...well, I'll be nice for the moment even though you haven't shown the same courtesy in this thread.

110 posted on 03/27/2007 1:27:25 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: MHalblaub
"So you just guessed that life started with DNA? Why not with RNA? Why do you think it was always a tri-nucleotide sequences code? How can you justify your assumption? What are the most simple living chemical reactions?" - MHalblaub

It's not a guess; it's a stopgap used for mere convenience until you provide something better (e.g. the precise minimum number of sequenced codons for the most basic possible life to exist).

The math in question works for *sequencing*, by the way, so DNA and RNA sequencing are both covered.

"What is the possibility for adenine, cytosine, guanine or Thymine? Never read about that anywhere. Is it just to simple to calculate it so everybody knows the answer?" - MHalblaub

You should read Rasmussen's abiogenegis experiments. They're well funded and very professional (and performed by Evolutionists!).

111 posted on 03/27/2007 1:33:32 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: MHalblaub
"But from the point on when life started you can't apply the author's simple math. Life went on with evolutionary algorithms."

Utter nonsense. You can *absolutely* apply the author's "simple" (in quotes because you can't show better) math to sequencing RNA and DNA genetic data.

...and how "life went on" is clearly by Design in the case of modern gentically altered animals such as pigs that make human growth hormone.

112 posted on 03/27/2007 1:39:06 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Coyoteman

Within science there are not two "opposing points of view" to debate. Rather there is science, which relies of evidence and theory, and the ability to make accurate predictions.

Still waiting for one of you evols to tell me how any prediction - accurate or otherwise - can be made from a "science" that says "things change".

113 posted on 03/27/2007 1:41:09 PM PDT by Stingray ("Stand for the truth or you'll fall for anything.")
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To: SirLinksalot
"These are conferences of and for believers and their sympathetic recruits," said the letter sent to administrators by the department. "They have no place on an academic campus with their polemics hidden behind a deceptive mask."

ROFLOL! Wow, the hypocrisy!

This is a quote describing a typical college class, right?

Leftists don't like competition for their own, government-funded "conferences of and for believers".

114 posted on 03/27/2007 1:43:42 PM PDT by TChris (The Democrat Party: A sewer into which is emptied treason, inhumanity and barbarism - O. Morton)
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To: b_sharp

The pig does show that ID can produce changes to a genome. It does not show that all life is the result of ID.

But all life is the result of a bunch of chemicals that miraculously yet naturally coalesced into self-replicating strands of pre-biotic material???

Wow. You guys really do "swallow a camel but strain out a gnat."

115 posted on 03/27/2007 2:02:56 PM PDT by Stingray ("Stand for the truth or you'll fall for anything.")
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To: Southack

I'm not able to see how or why you are putting electromagnetic fields in the same basket as coin tosses.


116 posted on 03/27/2007 2:31:07 PM PDT by js1138 (The absolute seriousness of someone who is terminally deluded.)
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To: js1138
"Can you name an object or phenomenon in nature other than radioactive decay that is without bias?"
117 posted on 03/27/2007 2:51:18 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Southack

I'm not able to see how or why you are putting electromagnetic fields in the same basket as coin tosses.


118 posted on 03/27/2007 2:58:11 PM PDT by js1138 (The absolute seriousness of someone who is terminally deluded.)
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To: js1138
I'm answering *your* question. "Can you name an object or phenomenon in nature other than radioactive decay that is without bias?"
119 posted on 03/27/2007 3:00:05 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Southack

I'm not able to see how or why you are putting electromagnetic fields in the same basket as coin tosses.


120 posted on 03/27/2007 3:01:03 PM PDT by js1138 (The absolute seriousness of someone who is terminally deluded.)
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