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To: narses
The Mayor is Better Known to Conservatives than Some will Acknowledge


Many columnists and pundits question what will happen when Republicans “find out about the Mayor’s views on social issues.” Many of these stories are being generated by the same people that speculated that Mayor Giuliani would never run for President. Over the course of the last month, that question has been dispelled.


A recent Newsweek poll shows Mayor Giuliani with a 25-point lead among Republican and Republican leaning voters and a 30-point lead among social conservatives. Mayor Giuliani has a wider lead among social conservatives than he does among Republicans in general. SOCIAL CONSERVATIVES already know who Rudy Giuliani is. In fact, more than 70% say they know “some or a lot” about him – these numbers are almost identical or better than other candidates in the race.


SOCIAL CONSERVATIVES are already more likely than Republicans in general to know the Mayor’s positions on key issues. Social conservatives are tuned in to the campaign and they like what they see in Mayor Giuliani.


According to recent analysis by Gallup Poll, Mayor Giuliani receives 47% of the votes among those that attend church “nearly weekly or monthly,” leading his nearest opponent by 28-points. Mayor Giuliani’s ballot share decreases to 31% among those that “attended church weekly” - yet he maintains a 7-point lead over his nearest opponent.


After reviewing other data, I have found similar evidence.


About half of Republican primary voters consider themselves to be “very conservative.” Among those “very conservative” Republican voters, Mayor Giuliani generally maintains a lead.


Another interesting point, about two-thirds of “very conservative” Republican primary voters consider Mayor Giuliani to be a moderate or a liberal. Yet even with these voters, Mayor Giuliani holds a 5-point lead over his nearest competitor.


The fact is - most Republicans believe that Mayor Giuliani is a social moderate or liberal and Mayor Giuliani leads all major candidates in this race (even among “very conservative” Republicans).


There are, of course, some voters that will never vote for Mayor Giuliani, and we know that we will see polls tighten. But the “when voters find out about Rudy’s record the sky will fall” notion is a myth.


Rudy’s positions and record are already known among most Republican primary voters and are factored in to the current polling.


What We Can Expect

Discrediting the commitment of the Mayor to run for President did not work. Telling....(DESPERATE SPAMMING) Republicans that the Mayor’s positions on issues are unacceptable to primary voters does not work either. http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/archives/2007/03/rudy_memo_stron_1.html
70 posted on 03/25/2007 1:41:17 PM PDT by Blackirish
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To: Blackirish
Pro-Illegal Immigration

As Tom Bevan of RealClearPolitics has pointed out, Rudy is an adherent of the same approach to illegal immigration that John McCain, Ted Kennedy, George Bush, and Harry Reid have championed:

"While McCain has taken heat for his support of comprehensive immigration reform, Rudy is every bit as pro-immigration as McCain - if not more so. On the O'Reilly Factor last week Giuliani argued for a "practical approach" to immigration and cited his efforts as Mayor of New York City to "regularize" illegal immigrants by providing them with access to city services like public education to "make their lives reasonable." Giuliani did say that "a tremendous amount of money should be put into the physical security" needed to stop the flow of illegal immigrants coming across the border, but his overall position on immigration is essentially indistinguishable from McCain's."

That's bad enough. But, as Michelle Malkin has revealed, under Giuliani, New York was an illegal alien sanctuary and "America's Mayor" actually sued the federal government in an effort to keep New York City employees from having to cooperate with the INS:

"When Congress enacted immigration reform laws that forbade local governments from barring employees from cooperating with the INS, Mayor Rudy Giuliani filed suit against the feds in 1997. He was rebuffed by two lower courts, which ruled that the sanctuary order amounted to special treatment for illegal aliens and were nothing more than an unlawful effort to flaunt federal enforcement efforts against illegal aliens. In January 2000, the Supreme Court rejected his appeal, but Giuliani vowed to ignore the law."

If you agree with the way that Nancy Pelosi and Company deal with illegal immigration, then you'll find the way that Rudy Giuliani tackles the issue to be right down your alley.

CLICK HERE TO READ MORE OF GIULIANI'S LEFT-WING POLITICAL POSITIONS

72 posted on 03/25/2007 1:42:07 PM PDT by narses ("Freedom is about authority." - Rudolph Giuliani)
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To: Blackirish

If I referred to an anonymous candidate and I did not give you their party affiliation and gave you the following information:

- The candidate believes in the "right" to abortion, including partial birth abortion.
- The candidate believes in the "right" of homosexuals to have a legal union that resembles marriage.
- The candidate believes in the "right" of illegal aliens to illegally enter and remain in our country.
- The candidate believes government has the "right" to modify the Second Amendment of the Constitution at will to curtail the right to keep and bear arms.

If this was the ONLY information you had, would your conclusion be that this unnamed candidate was a conservative Republican or a liberal Democrat?


73 posted on 03/25/2007 1:42:37 PM PDT by narses ("Freedom is about authority." - Rudolph Giuliani)
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To: Blackirish
A recent Newsweek poll shows Mayor Giuliani with a 25-point lead among Republican and Republican leaning voters and a 30-point lead among social conservatives. Mayor Giuliani has a wider lead among social conservatives than he does among Republicans in general. SOCIAL CONSERVATIVES already know who Rudy Giuliani is. In fact, more than 70% say they know “some or a lot” about him – these numbers are almost identical or better than other candidates in the race.

SOCIAL CONSERVATIVES are already more likely than Republicans in general to know the Mayor’s positions on key issues. Social conservatives are tuned in to the campaign and they like what they see in Mayor Giuliani.

That same Newsweek poll claiming 70% of social conservatives know some or a lot about Giuliani also showed that when asked specifically about his position on abortion more than 60% either misidentified him as pro-life or did not know his position. On the issues of gun control and gay marriage more than 80% misidentified his position or did not know.

Giuliani is benefiting from the assumption by many Republican voters that he is pro-life, pro-gun and pro-marriage protection. Those are typically the default positions of Republicans and is why 70% claim to know some or a lot about him when the actual responses to specific questions show they know very little.

That will change.

88 posted on 03/25/2007 2:01:10 PM PDT by garv (Conservatism in '08 www.draftnewt.org)
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To: Blackirish

So far as I can tell, your referenced post was a copy of some news article or opinion from somewhere. I seem to remember reading it before.

But you posted no identifying information, so I can't tell for certain if it is someone else's work or your own.

So not only could that be spam, and thread hijacking, it could also be plagerism.

Of course, if it is your own words, I apologize. It just looks exactly like an article I read earlier.


124 posted on 03/25/2007 3:12:40 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Blackirish
Discrediting the commitment of the Mayor to run for President did not work. Telling....(DESPERATE SPAMMING) Republicans that the Mayor’s positions on issues are unacceptable to primary voters does not work either. http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/archives/2007/03/rudy_memo_stron_1.html





Bravo. Very good analysis.
133 posted on 03/25/2007 3:52:49 PM PDT by KATIE-O (Rudy Giuliani - Restoring Optimism in '08)
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