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To: Urbane_Guerilla

I'm not sure I get your point.

The story of the sacrifice of Abraham and Isaac has been difficult for modernists to accept, much like the Book of Job, but it is biblical.

It illustrates both obedience and mercy.

Abraham obeys God, even though he is being asked to kill his son, his only son, his son who was promised to multiply like the stars in the sky and inherit the land of Israel.

But when he proves his obedience, God forbids him to kill Isaac. Instead, he sacrifices the ram caught in the thicket. It was a test, an unpleasant test, but God does not demand the sacrifice of the first born son. Instead, God accepts a substitutionary sacrifice of a sheep.

Clearly this points to the Passover, and another substitutionary sacrifice, the blood of the Passover lamb instead of the first born son.

And, for Christians, this points to the sacrifice of Christ, the Lamb of God.

I agree with you about Mohammed, but I'm not sure what your point is in relating it to the story of the Sacrifice of Isaac--which didn't take place.


2 posted on 03/25/2007 7:47:07 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Cicero; Urbane_Guerilla
Genesis 22 in the Christian Bible tells of Abraham's willingness to sacrifice Isaac.

The muslims claim Abraham was going to sacrifice Ishmael, whom the Arabs are descended from. Mohamad basically rewrote the old testament stories to make up his false religion.
5 posted on 03/25/2007 7:56:29 PM PDT by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: Cicero
Abraham obeys God, even though he is being asked to kill his son, his only son

I'm not trying to be argumentative, but Ishmael might disagree about that 'only son' thing.

7 posted on 03/25/2007 8:02:13 PM PDT by KarinG1 (Opinions expressed in this post are my own and do not necessarily represent those of sane people.)
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To: Cicero

The point is this: like the allah of mohammed-worship, the God of Abraham (who is embraced whole-heartedly by the sociopath mohammed in his absurd construction of a religion whose point is the worship of mohammed) is an Entity pleased by the arbitrary and pointless suffering of men.

Abraham necessarily says to himself, if God wants me to do it, I must do it. It is not the same thing as saying, for instance, if God wants me to be kind to others, I ought to be kind to others. It has only to do with the whim of the Supreme Being.

The concept of the whim of a Supreme Being is the gist of mohammed-worship. (The trick to islam, is that mohammed was the conscious stand-in for allah).

There is no difference in the logical premise of mohammed-worship and Christianity or Judaism, for example. Our President knows this, if only subliminally. He is not capable of confronting our enemy, because he shares the same interior premise: God is worthy of obedience even if he dictates the totally inane and brutal sacrifice of a son, especially under circumstances where the sacrifice is a sadistic emotional/psychological event.

The worship of mohammed is a particularly debasing and humiliating, and emotionally cruel circumstance. There is nothing satisfactory from a human pov, other than the debatble satisfaction of belief in monotheism.

But the belief in monotheism, and all it implies, calls into question islam and other "Abrahamic" religions.

Our President is not a deep thinker. I do not say that in disrespect. I abhor his critics, who are witless jackasses, mostly. His belief system, tho, prevents him from uderstanding the enemy. He realizes (at some level of understanding) that the best criticism of our enemy, implicates his own beliefs.


10 posted on 03/25/2007 8:18:16 PM PDT by Urbane_Guerilla
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