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Study: Day care ups odds of school behavior woes
Houston Chronicle ^ | March 26, 2007 | BENEDICT CAREY

Posted on 03/26/2007 2:41:17 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

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To: Always Right

Sounds like you have issues about stayng home with your kids. No need to knock Cath26 down. My wife works and I'm grateful and my children are grateful she does. I have a woman working for me whose husband lost his job. She felt bad one day because she couldn't put her daughter on the bus the first day of school. I told her she has absolutely no reason to feel bad or guilty. She is supporting her family in a very meaningful way. She is going to work to provide health insurance and pay the mortgage, where would your family be if you didn't show up to work? She was doing what has to be done.


41 posted on 03/26/2007 7:21:42 AM PDT by thomas16
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To: cath26
"Yes, I was born in 1956, believe it or not back then kids were not perfect. Plenty of bratty kids. Honestly I think parents today have better control, over their kids than in yester year. I don't buy into this idea that good ole days were all that good and everyone used to be good as gold because their daddy spanked them." Oh, geesh, I just don't agree with you. I have kids in their twenties, and kids in elementary school, and just in that short period of time the kids are MUCH WORSE! The language, the smart mouthy comebacks, the worldliness. Yikes!
42 posted on 03/26/2007 7:21:56 AM PDT by Texas_shutterbug
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To: browardchad

"They've actually convinced themselves that the responsibility of child-rearing is demeaning to women -- never taking into account the organizational, psychological and motivational skills that caring stay-at-home mothers acquire"

well it's easier to look down on someone than to find a reason to look up to them.


43 posted on 03/26/2007 7:22:06 AM PDT by Scotswife
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To: browardchad

You're a moron


44 posted on 03/26/2007 7:22:24 AM PDT by thomas16
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To: Scotswife
Whose looking down? Do all of you have this need to put other people down to build yourselves up? I think there are some self esteem issues going on here.
45 posted on 03/26/2007 7:24:57 AM PDT by thomas16
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To: reformed_dem

that's good news.
Maybe the attitude is softening.
I know the so-called advisors who are supposed to give career advice still tell women they shouldn't discuss their "personal lives" and apparantly they consider taking time off to raise your own kids a "personal matter".

So, sadly, there are many smart, educated, gifted women agonizing over the large gap in their work history.

They're probably much more mature, prepared, and employable than they were before raising kids - but they aren't made to feel that way.


46 posted on 03/26/2007 7:25:50 AM PDT by Scotswife
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To: Scotswife

About 2 years ago (give or take) we were a bit strapped, so I started looking for an outside job. I found one I was well qualified for, doing something I actually enjoy.......but then I sat down and looked at the salary, and then the actual costs of taking the job. In the long run there would have been absolutely no financial benefits to us because it would have changed our tax bracket, we would have to pay for child care, the additional cost of my commuting, wardrobe upgardes, etc.......

Needless to say, I didn't even bother applying and decided to toally eschew the hose and heels office world. I'm setting up a roadside produce stand to sell homegrown fruits and veggies and the preserves I make from them.....and don't have to worry about what I look like for work, because I won't have to leave my own yard!!!


47 posted on 03/26/2007 7:26:21 AM PDT by Gabz (I like mine with lettuce and tomato, heinz57 and french-fried potatoes)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

As a man, I'd never ever ever get involved with a woman who wanted a "career" over her own children. If she makes enough for me to stay home, fine, otherwise, I work and she stays home... but you put your dogs in a kennel when you don't have time for them... you DON'T do that to your kids.


48 posted on 03/26/2007 7:26:32 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: Gabz

Not remotely uncommon to find out the second income brings little to no real gain to the family bottom line in many cases... and can sometimes even hurt it... by the time like you realized, you take into consideration, taxes, day care, commuting, clothing, food etc etc.

Let alone the incalculable cost of someone else raising your children.


49 posted on 03/26/2007 7:28:14 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: thomas16

"Whose looking down? Do all of you have this need to put other people down to build yourselves up? I think there are some self esteem issues going on here"

You need to read the context of who I was responding to and why.
You are getting defensive and reading more into the post than what is there.

yes - there are folks out there who look down on stay-at-home moms and who think caring for children all day every day is a terribly denigrating job.

I never said all professionals have this attitude if that is what you are wondering.


50 posted on 03/26/2007 7:31:37 AM PDT by Scotswife
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To: Gabz

"About 2 years ago (give or take) we were a bit strapped, so I started looking for an outside job. I found one I was well qualified for, doing something I actually enjoy.......but then I sat down and looked at the salary, and then the actual costs of taking the job. In the long run there would have been absolutely no financial benefits to us because it would have changed our tax bracket, we would have to pay for child care, the additional cost of my commuting, wardrobe upgardes, etc.......

Needless to say, I didn't even bother applying and decided to toally eschew the hose and heels office world. I'm setting up a roadside produce stand to sell homegrown fruits and veggies and the preserves I make from them.....and don't have to worry about what I look like for work, because I won't have to leave my own yard!!!"

The exact same thing happened to me.
I found a night job so the kids were always with a parent.
Very tough - but necessary.

As hubby received raises over the years, I cut back on my hours.
After awhile he earned enough for me to stay home.

We also didn't take on a huge morgage - drove used cars - didn't have cable tv - basic phone service only - shopped at consignment shops.

you do what you have to do.


51 posted on 03/26/2007 7:34:43 AM PDT by Scotswife
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To: HamiltonJay

Since that time I have become close friends with the mother of my daghter's best friend, we have become each other's childcare provider when the need arises.


52 posted on 03/26/2007 7:37:47 AM PDT by Gabz (I like mine with lettuce and tomato, heinz57 and french-fried potatoes)
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To: Scotswife
Scotswife what was wrong with the person you were replying to? All I saw was an all out personal attack. And you keep espousing this idea working women think caring for children all day every day is a terribly denigrating job. . In all my years I have never heard a woman say anything remotely like that, do you sit at home and delude yourself with this stuff? Why not ask Scot
53 posted on 03/26/2007 7:38:32 AM PDT by thomas16
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To: Gabz

Well obviously need for care on occassion occurs, but its a large difference between a once in a while thing so mommy can go to the doctor or be out of town for a day or two.. and 8-10 hours a day every single day.


54 posted on 03/26/2007 7:41:34 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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Later read/pingout.


55 posted on 03/26/2007 7:46:43 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Only those who thirst for truth can know truth.)
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To: thomas16

dear thomas - you are just looking for a fight that isn't there.

I was responding to a poster's comments concerning the book Generation Me where the author stated...

" "you might find yourself cooped up with young children every day and let's face it -- who is really prepared for that?""


Yes - I have personally experienced this attitude among many women.
yes - I have personally had many women say to me "how can you STAND IT? being with kids all day every day!"

So yes - in my personal experience I have come across this attitude.
In my professional life I heard women discuss stay-at-home moms in the same fashion. Two female bosses I had made their opinions very well known.

So - no it isn't a delusion and no - I am not making the claim that all professional women have this attitude.
Most women are not all one thing or another.
Most women take some time off here and there - work part-time, or go back to full time when the kids are older.

Scot is a freeper - why not ask him yourself?


56 posted on 03/26/2007 7:47:15 AM PDT by Scotswife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Jeez . . . I don't even have children, and I coulda told 'em this.


57 posted on 03/26/2007 7:48:23 AM PDT by Xenalyte (Anything is possible when you don't understand how anything happens.)
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To: wideminded

I think your point is well-taken. I was raised in a home with a mother who stayed home. I was a little disruptive in class (class clown type) but otherwise a good kid, as I've been told. My kids (boy/girl twins, now 15 years old) spent part-time in day care as my wife worked a 20 hour week as a pharmacist in an HMO. Neither of them is disruptive, and both have always been good students (my son is a very able student, while my daughter, while not with quite as much horse-power, has a very good work ethic).

I think the distinction is parental involvement in the child's life. Those who have to, or choose to, put their kids in day care often (not always, of course) find it difficult (or too much of a bother) to involve themselves in what is going on in their child's lives. That, I think, is the decisive factor, not the mere fact that they are in day care. Another factor is the kind of day care setting the child is placed in.

Kids can be shown what is proper behavior in various settings. One good place to learn this is Sunday School. While the rules are usually a little more relaxed there, the atmosphere is one of caring and nurture. And it doesn't last that long, so the child can become acclimated to what is expected. Couple that with learning to be quiet and still in church, and the likelihood of such a child being disruptive in school is greatly reduced.

If a child gets the attention he/she needs from home and elsewhere, he/she won't have to seek it by disruptive behavior in school.

Just my humble opinion.


58 posted on 03/26/2007 7:51:38 AM PDT by NCLaw441
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To: thomas16; browardchad
You're a moron

Damn shame your judging isn't impeccable. You did so well with the apostrophe, but when it came to that sentence-closing punctuation, you just couldn't handle it.

I found nothing moronic in Chad's post. Perhaps you might enlighten us as to its moronitude.
59 posted on 03/26/2007 7:53:47 AM PDT by Xenalyte (Anything is possible when you don't understand how anything happens.)
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To: Scotswife

So I should ask ????husband? I'm not looking for a fight, are most of you from rural areas? or small towns? Maybe that is the difference. I live in New Jersey and the cost of living is high. So maybe you just don't have the ability understand other peoples lives. But keep your mind closed and nothing will fall in.


60 posted on 03/26/2007 7:56:29 AM PDT by thomas16
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