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Clinton, Giuliani lead in national polling (RON PAUL NOW UP TO 6% amongst Republican Women!)
The Cherry Creek News and Central Denver Dispatch ^ | March 26, 2007 | Cherry Creek News Staff

Posted on 03/27/2007 3:47:33 AM PDT by OrthodoxPresbyterian

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To: jmc813
That's what is known as cognitive dissonance. The same thing is happening to some of the Rudy fans in reaction to Fred Thompson's sudden surge.

Yeah. To his credit, though, Preachin' did say he'd support Ron Paul if it was a matter of choosing between Ron and Rudy. Ron Paul may not be his first choice, but I'm glad he's not jumping on the "why even bother with Primaries/let's anoint Rudy now" bandwagon.

61 posted on 03/27/2007 6:48:45 AM PDT by OrthodoxPresbyterian (We are Unworthy Servants; We have only done Our Duty -- Luke 17:10)
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To: LS
Take a look at his statements on Israel. He seems to view Israel as the root of all evil in the Middle East.

If he's such an anti-semite, I'm sure you can provide plenty of links. I'll do some Googling in the meantime anyway.

62 posted on 03/27/2007 6:48:51 AM PDT by jmc813 (The 2nd Amendment is NOT a "social conservative" issue.)
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
There's a big difference, and surely you are smart enough to know this, between sins of omission and sins of commission. SEVERAL presidents and policy makers failed to respond to the jihadists before 9/11. I don't blame RR any more than Bill Clinton or GHW Bush---but that's a far cry from saying they failed to see the threat. I give RR a break because he was consumed with a much larger threat.

What's RP's excuse?

63 posted on 03/27/2007 6:48:54 AM PDT by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of News)
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To: jmc813

The government of Israel is destroying the nation of Lebanon and killing its people, and the U.S. government is aiding and abetting this destruction.

Israel is not an ally of the United States and we have no treaty obligation to it.

The Israelis have nuclear weapons but have not signed the non-proliferation treaty.

Our tax dollars are being used to support Israeli aggression, against both the Lebanese and the Palestinians in Gaza.


64 posted on 03/27/2007 6:51:06 AM PDT by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of News)
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To: LS
Take a look at his statements on Israel. He seems to view Israel as the root of all evil in the Middle East.

Ron Paul opposes all US Foreign Aid to any foreign government and is skeptical of any foreign government lobbying of Congress, regardless of which foreign country you're talking about. However, I'm sure you'll see whatever you want to see.

65 posted on 03/27/2007 6:51:31 AM PDT by OrthodoxPresbyterian (We are Unworthy Servants; We have only done Our Duty -- Luke 17:10)
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To: jmc813
And here he complains that we are "targeting" al-Sadr. Poor Mookie:

http://www.house.gov/paul/congrec/congrec2007/cr011107.htm

This guy is a loonie toon.

66 posted on 03/27/2007 6:53:27 AM PDT by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of News)
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To: LS
What's RP's excuse?

He doesn't need one. As Dead Corpse pointed out in his #52, Ron Paul has consistently supported one of the only positions which would have actually prevented 9/11 -- the Right of American Citizens to Keep and Bear Arms.

67 posted on 03/27/2007 6:53:36 AM PDT by OrthodoxPresbyterian (We are Unworthy Servants; We have only done Our Duty -- Luke 17:10)
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
He also supports Mookie al-Sadr, calling him a "democrat." Uh huh. I guess OBL is a "republican."

Gibberish.

68 posted on 03/27/2007 6:54:09 AM PDT by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of News)
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To: LS; jmc813
The government of Israel is destroying the nation of Lebanon and killing its people, and the U.S. government is aiding and abetting this destruction.

It's not "Anti-Semitic" to have legitimate concerns about the destruction caused by Israeli operations in Lebanon, even though I personally believe Israel had justification to respond against Hezbollah (just not with US Tax Dollars).

Many Jewish Knesset members have expressed concern about the collateral damage inflicted by Israeli military operations, and they certainly aren't "Anti-Semites"!

Israel is not an ally of the United States and we have no treaty obligation to it.

A Constitutionally true statement.

The Israelis have nuclear weapons but have not signed the non-proliferation treaty.

Another true statement. (I think Israel has every right to possess nuclear weapons, but I think it's factually true that they do possess them).

Our tax dollars are being used to support Israeli aggression, against both the Lebanese and the Palestinians in Gaza.

Again -- Many Jewish Knesset members have expressed concern about the collateral damage inflicted by Israeli military operations, and they certainly aren't "Anti-Semites"!

You're accusing Ron Paul of "Anti-Semitism" based on statements many Israeli Jews have themselves echoed!

69 posted on 03/27/2007 6:59:26 AM PDT by OrthodoxPresbyterian (We are Unworthy Servants; We have only done Our Duty -- Luke 17:10)
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian

Wow!


70 posted on 03/27/2007 7:00:52 AM PDT by Austin Willard Wright
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
Good grief, we lose about as many unborn Americans to Abortion EVERY DAY as we lost Americans to Terrorism in the worst terror attack in history. Therefore, I rate Abortion as hundreds of times more morally important than Terrorism.

That's a wonderfully principled stance, like many of your others. Most Americans will think you are bonkers. Major acts of terrorism, like 9/11, cost us not only lives, but hundreds of billions of dollars, and could have sent the whole country into recession, affecting everyone.

I see where you're going with your argument, but they are really out there. Same goes for the neo-isolationism. It just doesn't have traction. Not even among FReepers, and certainly not outside. You'd be lucky to pull 1% of the vote on the kind of positions you're outlining. Ron Paul clearly means well, but he's principled to the point of being utterly out of touch.

71 posted on 03/27/2007 7:01:37 AM PDT by Steel Wolf (If every Republican is a RINO, then no Republican is a RINO.)
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To: LS
He also supports Mookie al-Sadr, calling him a "democrat."

To Ron Paul, the term "democrat" is not necessarily a compliment. Indeed, Ron Paul has called attention to the problem of GW Bush imposing "democracy" in a country where so many of the majority supports the likes of Al Sadr!

72 posted on 03/27/2007 7:02:26 AM PDT by OrthodoxPresbyterian (We are Unworthy Servants; We have only done Our Duty -- Luke 17:10)
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To: Steel Wolf
You'd be lucky to pull 1% of the vote on the kind of positions you're outlining.

We're already polling at least 3% amongst Republicans -- 6% amongst Republican Women.

It may be surprising, but the recent polls indicate that Ron Paul has left the 1% stable behind, and is rising measurably.

73 posted on 03/27/2007 7:04:37 AM PDT by OrthodoxPresbyterian (We are Unworthy Servants; We have only done Our Duty -- Luke 17:10)
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To: LS
This is a letter to the editor of the Gavleston Daily News, not a Paul quote. It was also quoted on a pro-Shane Sklar blog. Sklar was Paul's Dem opponent who he crushed last time around. Nice try.

From my brief research, it seems as if the complaints against Paul re:Israel have to do with two things. He voted no on a resolution having to do with last year's Israel/Lebanon conflict. While I disagree with him on this, it is perfectly consistent with his non-interventionist views.

He is also criticized for wanting to cut off foreign aid for Israel. The thing is, he opposes ALL foreign aid on principle.

Unless you can link me to somewhere where Paul has bad things to say about the Jewish people or faith, I'll remember not to taake you seriously in the future.

74 posted on 03/27/2007 7:05:08 AM PDT by jmc813 (The 2nd Amendment is NOT a "social conservative" issue.)
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To: LS; jmc813; Austin Willard Wright
Incidentally, I took the liberty of GOOGLING the quoted statements and found that NONE of them are Ron Paul quotations!

Although they are (on balance) factually true for the most part, I didn't remember them being in any of Ron Paul's speeches. And sure enough, they're all from a letter to the editor by Dr. Bruce Niebuhr, who is a physician in south Texas not affiliated with Ron Paul's office or campaign in any way, as far as I know.

I bet you knew that, and didn't care. When asked for "Anti-Semitic" quotes from Ron Paul, you intentionally mis-attribute quotes to Ron Paul which aren't even his.

You are the most Bolshevistic liar I've encountered in a long time.

75 posted on 03/27/2007 7:11:20 AM PDT by OrthodoxPresbyterian (We are Unworthy Servants; We have only done Our Duty -- Luke 17:10)
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To: Austin Willard Wright
(RON PAUL NOW UP TO 6% amongst Republican Women!)

In other news, upon checking my "Latest Posts" and FReepMail boxes, I'm happy to report that the Great Ron Paul Ping List on Free Republic just passed 100 Members.

There's maybe one or two Duncan Hunter supporters for whom Ron Paul is a close second on the list also (jmc813 comes to mind), but we like Duncan Hunter's more affable supporters and they're welcome to join in on the Ron Paul threads.


TO ALL: Please Ping or FReepMail me to be added to the Great Ron Paul Ping List (GRPPL). You will be Pinged to Ron Paul related articles and Campaign info as it develops.

76 posted on 03/27/2007 7:27:52 AM PDT by OrthodoxPresbyterian (We are Unworthy Servants; We have only done Our Duty -- Luke 17:10)
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To: LS
He believed in OFFENSE and introduced the "Reagan Doctrine" to liberate enslaved nations.

You mean like in Lebanon?

77 posted on 03/27/2007 7:33:03 AM PDT by DreamsofPolycarp (Ron Paul in '08)
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To: LS

sigh.... another Zionist loon. One hand on the newspaper, the other on his Scofield bible, which sits atop a Tim LaHaye tape.


78 posted on 03/27/2007 7:35:20 AM PDT by DreamsofPolycarp (Ron Paul in '08)
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To: DreamsofPolycarp
No, like Grenada, like Afghanistan, like Nicaragua, like his attempts to roll back communism where it already existed---which no other president had yet tried to do.

Lebanon is a terrific example of why Ron Paul is usless because Reagan PRIORITIZED the threats, and in the 1980s, Soviet Communism was #1. Now, it's Islamic jihadism. Only a fool hides his head and thinks this will go away if we just "quit supporting Israel."

79 posted on 03/27/2007 7:36:30 AM PDT by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of News)
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To: DreamsofPolycarp

Sigh. Another name-caller, cause his candidate, the ostrich RP, doesn't understand the basic facts of Islamic jihadism, which will exist even if Israel doesn't.


80 posted on 03/27/2007 7:38:02 AM PDT by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of News)
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