New evil preventing victory in Iraq

WorldNetDaily.com ^ | March 27, 2007 | Dennis Prager

[pabianice]

Response from U.S. "Childrens' Advocates"

[DCPatriot]

I submit that there was no way to anticipate this. And no one did

Of course they did.

This is Pol Pot sans pajamas.

If their previous ruler tortured and killed at will, with sociopathic sons that killed soccer players for losing..you can understand the deadness inside them.

These vengeance-filled people are being used as pawns for the next 'Saddam Hussein' a ruthless ruler of the most barbaric people in the world.

I'm sure one of the best and brightest that become advisors to presidents would have presented this scenario in what would happen if democracy failed.

And any president would thank him/her and continue as President Bush did.

[Ben Mugged]

We either become what we are fighting or we lose.

What I was referring to was the moral dilemma. If you saw a 6 year old with a bomb strapped to her, would you be capable of shooting her before she reached a crowded bus?

[Andonius_99]

I don't think we have to become as evil as them, as we really do lack the capacity to do so, as you point out. However, I think we must become more determined to win than they are. That will be our greatest weapon against them. I think the saying goes "evil begets evil", if I'm not mistaken. The distinction to be made between us and them must be clearly defined and not allowed to become distorted by their allies over here.

[DCPatriot]

Of course.

And then be a mess for the rest of my life.

[DCPatriot]

What they're trying to achieve is to get a handle on existing weapons caches and making arrests.

This will provide short term lulls only

[hinckley buzzard]

The depth of evil perpetrated by the Nazi's out does the Islamists only because of the efficiency of the German people

I guess that means that when the barbarians set off the "islamic nuke" on TelAviv they will become number one? I don't get that kind of calculus.

[Recovering_Democrat]

[Yardstick]

Very nicely chosen quote.

BTW, I wonder if Brandow wrote those lines himself?

[bpjam]

By 'their own' I'll go with either 1. Iraqi children, or 2. Muslim children. Either way, they are willing to blow up their own children in order to try to kill Americans, Brit or Iraqis who want democracy along with innocent bystanders (who are also often the targets themselves).

I'd concede that we don't know that the individual bombers are using their own biological children. At least, we can't prove that since the kids are incinerated along with the vehicles they were in. Either way, there is no way Nancy Pelosi is going to negotiate with them and arrive at any kind of 'peaceful' outcome.

[Dr. Frank fan]

By 'their own' I'll go with either 1. Iraqi children, or 2. Muslim children. Either way, they are willing to blow up their own children in order to try to kill Americans, Brit or Iraqis who want democracy along with innocent bystanders (who are also often the targets themselves).

You're still not getting it. By your very explanation here, if a young Saudi hothead (a Muslim) travels to Iraq to be a "jihadi", kidnaps an Iraqi (Muslim) child from an orphanage and blows him up in a vehicle bomb to kill other Iraqis, you will characterize that act as "they're blowing up 'their own' children". You may as well say that when a German soldier shot a Russian soldier in WW2 he was killing "his own" because they were both Christian.

This is not the terrorists being "willing to blow up 'their own' children". This is about them being willing to blow up, specifically, other children. Mixing up/lumping together criminals and victims like this results, inevitably, in blaming the victim. It prevents people from seeing these events clearly for what they are: acts of aggression against Iraqi civilians, who (therefore) need more protection than they are getting.

Instead, what happens is that people too often interpret these attacks against Iraqi civilians as somehow reflecting badly on those same civilian victims. Indeed, some people go on to conclude (I'm not saying you've done this) that since "they" (supposedly, Iraqis) are willing to blow up "their own" children - thus Iraqis are barbarians incapable of democracy, etc. etc. etc. There is something horribly wrong with this analysis, and it begins when someone sees a terrorist murder a bunch of people and characterizes it as "they're willing to blow up 'their own' people". No they are not. They are willing to blow up their enemies. And these terrorists have a huge list of innocent enemies. All the more reason they need to be stopped, and all the more reason their innocent victims deserve our sympathy - not our contempt.

I'd concede that we don't know that the individual bombers are using their own biological children. At least, we can't prove that since the kids are incinerated along with the vehicles they were in.

Actually, there's never been a shred of evidence for this at all. Of the incidents we do know about, the children tend to be kidnapped or orphans or mentally retarded.

I'm not saying it can't or never happens. Look at the Palestinians, who essentially have built and nurtured a suicide cult for their children. But in Iraq there is no evidence for this sort of thing that I am aware of.

Either way, there is no way Nancy Pelosi is going to negotiate with them and arrive at any kind of 'peaceful' outcome.

No argument there :)

[bpjam]

I get what you are saying and I'm not looking to disagree with your analysis. Even though there are a number of documented cases where Sunnis and Shiites were willing to blow up their own children (teens and young adults) in order to kill their political rivals or US servicemen, most of the checkpoint bombers tend to be the foreigner types who don't care who gets killed as long as there are lots of casualties.

Any regardless of who is doing the bombing, you and I both want them stopped and the perps put in Abu Graib so our troops can get the hell out of that place as soon as they've fulfilled their mission. (btw, who is dr frank?)

[Dr. Frank fan]

Even though there are a number of documented cases where Sunnis and Shiites were willing to blow up their own children (teens and young adults) in order to kill their political rivals or US servicemen

I'd be interested in links if you have them.

p.s. Dr. Frank. My screen name used to just be "Dr. Frank" as an homage (really, because I was listening to his music when I signed up), but this became a problem when he got on the web himself, I didn't want to mislead people, so I had FR add "fan" to the end, thus making my screen name perhaps the silliest on FR. :)

[bpjam]

I totallly agree that it is insane to blame Iraqis because criminals, zealots and foreign terrorist are killing them on a daily basis. Its like blaming people in Oklahoma City for getting blown up by Timothy McVeigh. There is a line you have to approach in areas like Tikrit, Fallujah and a few others where Iraqis are so willing to avoid democracy that they will kill other innocent Iraqis to accomplish it. But I think we are seeing even in those cases that there are more and more victims amongst those we thought were hostiles who were essentially living in a terror camp and unable to leave without being killed as a traitor.

Sorry, I'm gonna have to go on the road for a few days so any time I get on FR will be a Lucky Strike Extra. Have a good Good Friday if you are Christian or a happy Passover if you are Jewish. (I don't know the Buddhist holidays so don't think me rude if I don't mention them....)