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Pet Food Recall: Vet poison control center suspects other toxins involved
Pet Connection ^ | 3/28/2007 | ASPCA

Posted on 03/28/2007 1:49:48 PM PDT by sweetiepiezer

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At www.petconnection.com they ae listing over 2,300 animals reportly have died. They have a datbase and if you lost a pet, they are trying to get an accuate count, even though menu foods is saying a lower count. ASPCA saying there may be other toxins involved also. My dog of 16 years is on this list, I am heartbroken. Why, why, why did they do tests in Dec. and found that 9 cats and one dog died, how long beofre this did they know about it. The general public did not know until March 16th, too late for my dog and pets or "property" as they put it.
1 posted on 03/28/2007 1:49:51 PM PDT by sweetiepiezer
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To: sweetiepiezer

You know the thing is..... it's bad to lose a pet. But how many years are we from something major like this happening in our own food supply?


2 posted on 03/28/2007 1:51:18 PM PDT by kjam22
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To: sweetiepiezer

Stuff came from china, china does not care about dogs. God only knows what they put in the stuff.


3 posted on 03/28/2007 1:51:24 PM PDT by edcoil (Reality doesn't say much - doesn't need too)
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To: kjam22

You know I'm not big on conspiracy theories, but it makes you wonder. What if......


4 posted on 03/28/2007 1:52:53 PM PDT by Sue Perkick (...what I was born to do, don't have to think it through.....)
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To: edcoil

I think it's a PETA plot!


5 posted on 03/28/2007 1:53:08 PM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ("Don't touch that thing")
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To: edcoil
...china does not care about dogs.

I'm sure they complain when they're under- or over-cooked.

6 posted on 03/28/2007 1:57:12 PM PDT by randog (What the...?!)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

Hopefully it won't turn up in the dried food. :(

I've been using Nutro Dry.


7 posted on 03/28/2007 1:58:44 PM PDT by sugarsmak
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To: sweetiepiezer

I am so sorry. I can imagine how heartbroken you must be. This company was criminally careless in not thoroughly testing thie NEW SUPPLIER'S product BEFORE including in the food and selling it. That Chinese supplier and the manufacturer should be barred from the American market in perpetuity. I'd be looking around for a lawyer, preferably junkyard dog type lawyer, if you will pardon my pun. I feed my beloved Yorkie a special Yorkie food made by Royal Canin that is superb. Thank heavens they have nothing to do with Menu.


8 posted on 03/28/2007 2:01:36 PM PDT by 3AngelaD
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To: sweetiepiezer
ASPCA saying there may be other toxins involved also.

The trouble with toxicology, or any analysis, is that often when there are low concentrations involved, someone has to be looking for suspected compounds. Many have different analytical protocols and separation parameters. One cannot just squirt a sample into a GC MassSpec or do FTIR and have everything answered.

Just as an example, when kidney failure is mentioned, people might look for oxalic acid or glycols, and completely miss an inorganic nephrotoxin such as antimony.

It is possible everything about this incident may never be known completely.

9 posted on 03/28/2007 2:01:50 PM PDT by Gorzaloon (Global Warming: A New Kind Of Scientology for the Rest Of Us.)
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To: Sue Perkick
Oh Geez Sue, take off the tin-foil hat! J/k i thought the same thing and frantically checked to make sure there were no dry foods on the list, my pug is my first born.

After thinking about it I agree, what if it was planned, but I also don't think the dogfood industry is monolithic enough for that to work. Probably someone trying to get "discount" ingredients or mixing machine usage without proper cleaning, or atleast that's gonna be the official story..... But we'll know better won't we? ;o)

10 posted on 03/28/2007 2:01:56 PM PDT by IllumiNaughtyByNature (I buy gas for my Hummer with the Carbon Offsets I sell on Ebay!)
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To: sugarsmak

There were rumors last week. Then I didn't hear any more about it. I know Bil Jac is not part of the recall at all. I started mine on that when this started.


11 posted on 03/28/2007 2:02:25 PM PDT by Sue Perkick (...what I was born to do, don't have to think it through.....)
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To: sweetiepiezer

Hmmmm, sounds like PETA to me, don't they kill animals pretending to care for them?


12 posted on 03/28/2007 2:04:59 PM PDT by NoGrayZone
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To: K4Harty

We'll probably never know the truth. The companies are going to scramble to avoid the class action suit that's probably coming.


13 posted on 03/28/2007 2:05:02 PM PDT by Sue Perkick (...what I was born to do, don't have to think it through.....)
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To: sweetiepiezer
tinfoil hat on:
This is a terrorist practice run. It they succeed in contaminating pet food, then they will go for people food.
:tinfoil hat off
14 posted on 03/28/2007 2:05:41 PM PDT by aomagrat (Gun owners who vote for democrats are too stupid to own guns.)
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To: edcoil

I'm surpised at how little mention of China's part in this has gotten in the news. We certainly wouldn't want to screw up a good deal even if it kills us.

Wheat gluten is used in people food too.


15 posted on 03/28/2007 2:12:31 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Peace without victory is a temporary illusion.)
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To: sweetiepiezer

So very sorry about your loss.

Mine died 12-27 but the dumb vets here didn't know what it was. There were no blood tests done so I can't be sure what the problem was. He did have Cushings Disease and was elderly but went downhill in 24 hours.

What I would like to know from everyone what IS THE BEST dogfood {DRY} out there. One that we can be sure does not use wheat from China etc. I know some of the big ones have had problems over the years even with dry food getting mold.


16 posted on 03/28/2007 2:13:48 PM PDT by WestCoastGal (Dale Jr~ 5-31-07 ~ MIDNIGHT GIT-R-DONE --- Member of the F-I-R-M)
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To: aomagrat

"This is a terrorist practice run."
This is exactly what I thought. As far as I know there is still no knowledge of how the poison got into the mix.


17 posted on 03/28/2007 2:16:52 PM PDT by duckman (I refuse to use a tag line...I mean it.)
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To: sweetiepiezer
The loss of a pet is always so hard but for you to lose your pet in this manner has to be that much harder.

I also question why it took them so long to come out with the information.

You have my sympathies....So sorry
18 posted on 03/28/2007 2:21:23 PM PDT by Kimmers (Coram Deo)
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To: cripplecreek

Wheat gluten

Rats would surely be resident in facilities that process this from the grain......seems like rat poison (probably strychnine) would also be present, since they easily learn to avoid traps.

Wheat gluten is mostly an asian product, it appears:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wheat_gluten_(food)


19 posted on 03/28/2007 2:26:38 PM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: sweetiepiezer
I feed my three small dogs (2 yorkies and a pom) the Nutro Ultra canned food. What I have left has the recalled UPC numbers. I am watching them like a hawk and hope they will be ok.

This whole thing was handled so wrong. I order this food online and know that the company I bought from knew I had the recalled products......and the waited over 3 weeks to contact me. Now they are calling and emailing (afraid of lawsuits?) Luckily, I read FR and saw the report and went to the website to check. I now make their food myself. No more bought foods, no matter how expensive and 'wholesome'.

20 posted on 03/28/2007 2:26:43 PM PDT by arbee4bush (Our Airman Daughter KB4W--Hero, Patriot and the Love of her mom & dads life!)
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To: sweetiepiezer
Wheat gluten has “been a real difficult sample to work with,” said (Deleted out of pity), director of the New York food lab. “It’s real sticky, gummy. If you can imagine wet flour and you’re trying to get that into solution and put that into an instrument.”

I think any chemist on here would be disgusted, embarrassed, and ashamed to ever make a statement to the effect,

"We have no idea how to run an analysis, because even though the sample preparation protocols are published all over the Web and available in minutes to a Google search performed by a Mongoloid Idiot, the most basic primary step in an analysis is just so far beyond us that we are helpless. We have no clue where to begin, because we did not particulary like Analtyic Chem - it was so tedious, and interfered with our drinking.

We were able to land these jobs, somehow, and now, it's all going to fall down."

I am ashamed to have majored in Chemistry. It just HAS to be the renormed SAT scores, it must be.....

21 posted on 03/28/2007 2:26:43 PM PDT by Gorzaloon (Global Warming: A New Kind Of Scientology for the Rest Of Us.)
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To: WestCoastGal

Thank you for your concern.
Found this interesting blog where people were losing their pets before they did the testing.

http://www.bigskyblog.com/index.php/2007/03/17/pet-food-recall

It is very sad for all concerned.


22 posted on 03/28/2007 2:48:28 PM PDT by sweetiepiezer (A life time member of the VRWC!!!!!)
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To: Kimmers

Thank you kimmer.
To think I was treating him royally and here it was rat poison, unreal to me.


23 posted on 03/28/2007 2:49:54 PM PDT by sweetiepiezer (A life time member of the VRWC!!!!!)
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To: WestCoastGal

"What I would like to know from everyone what IS THE BEST dogfood {DRY} out there."

This is simply the best dry manufactured. - shipped direct from mfg.

http://www.balancediet.com/

You must keep unused pouches frozen - no preservatives.

For the best diet period - BARF your animal. http://www.barfworld.com/

Rocket fuel ... http://www.greentripe.com/

I find most "pet" owners too cheap to take total responsibility for their animals well being - this stuff is pricy compared to the junk most animals are fed.

Do you really love your animal or is it just a fashion statement?

Here is a link to a pic of my 10 1/2 year old GSD who had been on these 3 items most of his life. http://www.mysafetyofprincipal.com/ according to his vet @ 116 lbs he was the equivalent of a 110 year old human at this time.


24 posted on 03/28/2007 2:54:38 PM PDT by Bobibutu
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To: sweetiepiezer
My dog of 16 years is on this list, I am heartbroken. Why, why, why did they do tests in Dec. and found that 9 cats and one dog died, how long beofre this did they know about it. The general public did not know until March 16th, too late for my dog and pets or "property" as they put it.

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I'm so sorry to hear that.

On the advice of our breeder, we switched our dogs from Nutro over to Abady seven years ago, thank goodness. It seems that feeding a BARF (raw food) diet may not be such a bad idea either.

What a sad, sad thing this has been for so many people and their beloved pets.

25 posted on 03/28/2007 2:54:55 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: sweetiepiezer

We have a cat who was throwing up blood several months ago ...we could find nothing wrong with her ....she seems better now ...how would I know if it was related to her food?


26 posted on 03/28/2007 3:00:24 PM PDT by woofie
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To: Gorzaloon

Yeah, you'd think since pet food manufacturers can figure out how to manage the "sticky, gummy" problem, chemists working in toxicology labs would be able to as well.


27 posted on 03/28/2007 3:10:18 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: woofie

Were you feeding the cat any of the recalled foods.
The vomitting and blood is one of the symptoms.
go to http://www.petconnection.com/ and there on the blogs it tell you what all the symptoms are.
Even if the dog or cat gets bad breath, blood in stool, excess water drinking, etc.


28 posted on 03/28/2007 3:11:25 PM PDT by sweetiepiezer (A life time member of the VRWC!!!!!)
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To: sweetiepiezer
sorry for your loss

if 2500 people were killed, damm sure congress would stop outsourcing to china
29 posted on 03/28/2007 3:13:21 PM PDT by Charlespg (Peace= When we trod the ruins of Mecca and Medina under our infidel boots.)
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To: Gorzaloon

Gee, you want to get wet flour into solution, hey, how about adding more solution.
What did he spend his degree on, making meth?


30 posted on 03/28/2007 3:13:23 PM PDT by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: Bobibutu

Thanks for all the info. I'm going to check it out.

I have a regular size freezer and keep it pretty full since I live in a small town.

Your dog is beautiful!

BTW, we signed on to FR on the same day. Small world. :)


31 posted on 03/28/2007 3:20:53 PM PDT by WestCoastGal (Dale Jr~ 5-31-07 ~ MIDNIGHT GIT-R-DONE --- Member of the F-I-R-M)
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To: Sue Perkick

American companies have such a burden on producing products but testing on the consumer seems to be the government position with imports from abroad.


32 posted on 03/28/2007 3:21:42 PM PDT by edcoil (Reality doesn't say much - doesn't need too)
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To: aomagrat
tinfoil hat on: This is a terrorist practice run. It they succeed in contaminating pet food, then they will go for people food. :tinfoil hat off

Half to admit the same thought has crossed my mind.

33 posted on 03/28/2007 3:40:49 PM PDT by Vicki (Washington State where anyone can vote .... illegals, non-residents or anyone just passing through)
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To: Vicki

I'm still wondering how the salmonella got into the Peter Pan peanut butter. What ever became of that?


34 posted on 03/28/2007 4:18:15 PM PDT by Bluebird Singing
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To: Bluebird Singing

Here's my theory.
It was deliberate.

Why kill cats and dogs?

As a test to see how difficult it would be to drop poisons into a food processing plant to kill people. If they can accomplish it with animals, then people won't be as difficult.


35 posted on 03/28/2007 4:43:48 PM PDT by Rick.Donaldson (http://realitycheck.blogsome.com)
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To: Charlespg

Thank you.

Ya think they would stop the outsourcing even then?


36 posted on 03/28/2007 4:50:06 PM PDT by sweetiepiezer (A life time member of the VRWC!!!!!)
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To: Sue Perkick

Good point.


37 posted on 03/28/2007 4:50:16 PM PDT by IllumiNaughtyByNature (I buy gas for my Hummer with the Carbon Offsets I sell on Ebay!)
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To: Vicki

"tinfoil hat on: This is a terrorist practice run. It they succeed in contaminating pet food, then they will go for people food. :tinfoil hat"


Those were my exact thoughts when recall came out, but everyone I talked to said, Oh you would think that.
Thanks for not leaving me out there by myself.


38 posted on 03/28/2007 4:53:01 PM PDT by sweetiepiezer (A life time member of the VRWC!!!!!)
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To: milford421; Founding Father; little jeremiah; Calpernia; FARS; struwwelpeter

Ping.


39 posted on 03/28/2007 5:25:41 PM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ("Be the best you can be" says Rush Limbaugh. "Serve your fellow men" is God's plan)
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To: nw_arizona_granny; WestCoastGal

In early January, both my Manx cat and Siberian Husky began drinking more water than usual and were lethargic. The Manx started urinating in places other than his litter box. He's never done that before. Alyeska, the Husky, was dropping huge chunks of fur and vomiting. She does that shedding every spring, but never in January. I took them to our wonderful vet. After some blood work and urinalysis, she said, "Whatever you are feeding them, stop right now." I changed their diet to dry food and table scraps (they love that} and are fine now.


40 posted on 03/28/2007 5:36:03 PM PDT by Rushmore Rocks
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To: Rushmore Rocks

What were you feeding them?


41 posted on 03/28/2007 5:38:04 PM PDT by sweetiepiezer (A life time member of the VRWC!!!!!)
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To: sweetiepiezer

Iams and Eukanuba.


42 posted on 03/28/2007 5:42:18 PM PDT by Rushmore Rocks
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Now that I think about, I believe our vet was suspicious of certain foods even then. Living where we do, we have few neighbors, but those we do have reported similar problems. Our nearest neighbor lost her Yorkie to a mountain lion last month and her kitty to renal failure. Our other neighbor to the west lost a yearling colt to a mountain lion a couple of weeks ago. Actually, we are more worried about the increasing lion problem.


43 posted on 03/28/2007 5:50:49 PM PDT by Rushmore Rocks
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To: Rick.Donaldson

This was from Feb. 16 in USA Today, and I haven't heard anything more about the peanut butter salmonella contamination. Has anyone heard any follow-ups about this investiagation?

"For the first time in U.S. history, salmonella has been linked to peanut butter, according to the CDC.

By Elizabeth Weise, USA TODAY
The source of a dangerous salmonella outbreak took six months to track down in part because the culprit — peanut butter — took health officials by surprise.
The outbreak has sickened at least 290 people in 39 states since August. It took until this week to identify the source because peanut butter has only once before been linked to the life-threatening disease, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) says.

ON DEADLINE: Information from the FDA, ConAgra

The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) announced Wednesday night that jars of Peter Pan and Wal-Mart's Great Value brand peanut butter beginning with the product code "2111" on the lid of the jar could be contaminated with the strain Salmonella Tennessee.

This variety of salmonella is so rare that the CDC normally sees only about 100 cases a year, says Robert Tauxe, chief of the CDC's Foodborne and Diarrheal Diseases Branch."


44 posted on 03/28/2007 5:51:12 PM PDT by Bluebird Singing
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To: Rushmore Rocks

I am glad yours got better.

Three weeks ago, I let Scott take Little Bit, to a family he works with, they said it was a match made in heaven.

A few days later, her eyes were glazed and she died.

None of the other cats here are sick.

I have no idea what food they fed her, but when she was with me, she ate all that I did and cat food.


45 posted on 03/28/2007 5:52:45 PM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ("Be the best you can be" says Rush Limbaugh. "Serve your fellow men" is God's plan)
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To: nw_arizona_granny

Sorry to hear about "Little Bit". What I find interesting is that my last cat, a little calico, was named "Little Bit".


46 posted on 03/28/2007 5:57:12 PM PDT by Rushmore Rocks
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To: Rushmore Rocks

Little Bit was one I raised by hand, after NO NO abandoned her, as she does with every litter.

It made me sad, as her new family loved her.

So goes life, we miss them, when they leave us.


47 posted on 03/28/2007 6:12:10 PM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ("Be the best you can be" says Rush Limbaugh. "Serve your fellow men" is God's plan)
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To: sweetiepiezer

Do you know where I could find a list of the recalled foods?


48 posted on 03/28/2007 8:29:12 PM PDT by Marie (Unintended consequences.)
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To: Marie

Here is where you can find them.

http://www.menufoods.com/recall/

Be sure to click on the names of the pet foods for upc numbers.


49 posted on 03/28/2007 8:52:46 PM PDT by sweetiepiezer (A life time member of the VRWC!!!!!)
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To: Sue Perkick

"There were rumors last week. Then I didn't hear any more about it. I know Bil Jac is not part of the recall at all. I started mine on that when this started."

There were rumors?? I didn't know that. Were you feeding yours Nutro Dry before you switched? I don't know what to do. My dog seems perfectly fine though.


50 posted on 03/28/2007 8:54:14 PM PDT by sugarsmak
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