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Of Attorneys and Ayatollahs
self | 3/30/07 | LS

Posted on 03/30/2007 10:49:01 AM PDT by LS

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To: CBart95

LOL. Great image.


21 posted on 03/31/2007 4:12:27 PM PDT by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of News)
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To: DevSix

Great point. The public can be roused to support a mission (as after 9/11) or to oppose. But they won't just drift down the middle. That's why a domestic propaganda effort (yes, I will call it that, proudly) is an absolute necessity.


22 posted on 03/31/2007 4:14:01 PM PDT by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of News)
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To: DevSix; Chgogal; freema

Interesting observation. The mud puddle may be very wide, but how deep is it. It could dry up given a bright sun in no time.


23 posted on 03/31/2007 4:22:44 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle
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To: LS

outstanding.

A separate chapter in your next book


24 posted on 03/31/2007 4:44:07 PM PDT by RaceBannon (Innocent until proven guilty: The Pendleton 8...down to 3..GWB, we hardly knew ye...)
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To: LS
The public can be roused to support a mission (as after 9/11) or to oppose. But they won't just drift down the middle. That's why a domestic propaganda effort (yes, I will call it that, proudly) is an absolute necessity.

Bingo - But when in the hell are the WH/RNC going to understand this? It is past time!

We need a counter PR campaign with a sense of urgency behind it. That is creative, systematic and relentless over the course of 6 months or so....

And I simply don't see the urgency out of the WH or RNC. How in the hell can we be 6 years into this WOT...and not one WOT supporting 527 exists (and is up and running an effective campaign).

The RNC needs to employ people such as Cannoneer No. 4 who absolutely "get it".

25 posted on 03/31/2007 5:50:19 PM PDT by SevenMinusOne
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To: Bahbah
I don’t know if any of the republican politicians ever reads these posts, but if they do and if any of them reads this particular post, I have one message for you. Get your head out of your butts and get to work! You have been laying around far too long and it’s time to take care of business.

You have let the Democrat party have control over the issues of this country way too much. This hoopla over the attorney firings should never have been an issue. The whole mess is a$$ backwards and should never have gotten to be an issue until someone can come up with evidence of wrongdoing.

Unless you are confused, it should be obvious to you when someone comes up with a scandal out of the thin air and then set their storm troopers out in search for something to support that so called “scandal”, something smells. Where are all the investigations of the instigators in all this? Who is REALLY politicizing what? Really?

I could just imagine what would be contained in e-mails about all this going back and forth between the motley crew (Leahy, Kennedy, Biden, Feinstein, Feingold, Schumer and Durban) regarding the so called attorney firings. I’d wager there would be some great stuff, well worth reading that would speak volumes of today’s politics.

Some of the real questions should be, who all have been going to the media with our national secrets? Seek answers to who those traitors are. Find out exactly what did Sandy Burger take out of the national archives. Where are the hearings on THOSE issues?

Those are just a couple examples of laws that were really broken which have been in the most part, ignored. Or maybe the question should be raised, why are those questions being ignored in the first place?
26 posted on 03/31/2007 7:40:18 PM PDT by Tut
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To: LS; Chgogal

Yet now it has become a race between the terrorists, who have an incentive to inflict as much damage as possible to make victory appear impossible,

Violence tears across Iraq
http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/03/31/iraq.main/

BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- Car bombs and gunfire killed more than two dozen civilians and wounded more than 60 in attacks throughout Iraq on Saturday, officials said.

Five civilians were killed and 22 wounded in a car-bomb explosion near Sadrayn Hospital in Baghdad's Sadr City neighborhood at 10 a.m., a Baghdad police official said.

South of Baghdad in Hilla, four people were killed and 20 were wounded when a car bomb exploded near people lining up at a gas station, Babil police said.

A car bomb killed two day laborers and wounded 11 others who were gathered north of the capital in the Salaheddin province city of Tuz Khurmatu on Saturday morning, a Tikrit police official said.
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Death toll rises to 152 in northern Iraq truck bombing attacks: official
http://english.people.com.cn/200704/01/eng20070401_362817.html


The total death toll rose to 152 and up to 347 others wounded when double truck bomb attacks at a market in a Shiite district in the town of Tal Afar on Tuesday, an official told reporters on Saturday.

The death toll rose to 152 and up to 347 people wounded, Brigadier Abdul Kareem Khalaf, the spokesman of the Interior Ministry said.

Khalaf also said that 100 homes were blown up by the blasts which were caused by 2 tonnes of explosives that left a 23-metre- ditch in the ground.

Earlier, Duraid Kashmula, Nineveh's governor put the toll at 140 people were killed and some 200 others wounded in the twin blasts.

As a reprisal for Tuesday's truck bombing, unknown gunmen stormed a Sunni district in the Iraqi town of Tal Afar overnight and killed up to 70 people.
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It goes without saying we are doomed DOOMED I say!


27 posted on 03/31/2007 8:56:54 PM PDT by Valin (History takes time. It is not an instant thing.)
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To: DevSix; Cannoneer No. 4
"The RNC needs to employ people such as Cannoneer No. 4 who absolutely "get it"."

Cannoneer, looks like you would be hired. Well????? : )

28 posted on 04/01/2007 3:01:42 AM PDT by Chgogal (Vote Al Qaeda. Vote Democrat.)
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To: Valin
One of the most powerful of the Democrats, his family, is directly helping the terrorists. Rahm Emanuel's brother Ari was agent to Micheal Moore's film that is now being used by terrorists to recruit.

Does Ari's (Emanuel) Mom Have A Secret Recipe? (Rahm Emanuel and Moore's F 9/11)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1806555/posts?page=8#8

29 posted on 04/01/2007 3:15:39 AM PDT by Chgogal (Vote Al Qaeda. Vote Democrat.)
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To: DevSix
I just had to sit through a gagging "presentation" by some unnamed "scholar" on why the Iraq Reconstruction differed (in a worse way) from the German reconstruction, and one of the COMPLAINTS was that Saddam was compared to Hitler, as if this were an "exaggeration."

One of the reasons we lost Vietnam was that LBJ NEVER undertook a proper domestic propaganda campaign. At least Bush has 1) called this a war and 2) said it would be long, and 3) called up the reserves and national guard. LBJ did none of those things. But LBJ also never, ever demonized the enemy. This is essential in warfare, especially for a western country. We don't naturally hate. We aren't tribal. So mobilizing Americans to gird themselves for long, bloody conflicts requires explaining the war to them in the most basic, even simplistic terms. This offends liberals, but the fact is, most people don't have time, and some do not have the sophistication, to understand complex foreign policy objectives. But if you put it simply: these people want to kill you, they are evil, and your boy won't come home until we eliminate the threat, then Americans get it.

The worst "mistake" of the war is the one liberals would NEVER acknowlege: that President Bush and the Republicans did NOT politicize the war enough, nor did they sufficiently propagandize the war.

30 posted on 04/01/2007 5:30:24 AM PDT by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of News)
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To: Chgogal; LS
Thanks for the ping, Chgogal. This is an excellent piece.

I think that a lack of leadership by the President is at the root of almost all of the administration's problems. Sad.

31 posted on 04/01/2007 6:17:24 AM PDT by SIDENET (Now selling carbon offsets. Get some today!)
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To: SIDENET
All:

Today, we might have a little more insignt as to why Bush proceeded the way he did.

See my analysis of Matt Dowd.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1810151/posts

32 posted on 04/01/2007 6:25:35 AM PDT by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of News)
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To: LS
The worst "mistake" of the war is the one liberals would NEVER acknowlege: that President Bush and the Republicans did NOT politicize the war enough, nor did they sufficiently propagandize the war.

Your above article (Attorneys and Ayatollahs) along with your comment above are simply dead nuts correct. I wish a few like yourself (and Cannoneer No. 4 ) could find a way into the PR circles within the WH and RNC.

It angers the hell out of me that they clearly don't have people who understand these PR/Informational realities....and yet seem to have no urgency to change and put people in charge who do.

The WH/RNC (along with them not having fielded WOT supporting 527s) have done a terrible disservice to every warrior down range fighting in this WOT.

33 posted on 04/01/2007 7:18:04 AM PDT by SevenMinusOne
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To: Chgogal

Micheal should sue them! :-)


34 posted on 04/01/2007 7:27:13 AM PDT by Valin (History takes time. It is not an instant thing.)
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To: LS
"A former Democratic consultant, Matthew Dowd was the chief campaign strategist for Bush-Cheney 2004 and director of polling and media planning for Bush-Cheney 2000. "

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/architect/interviews/dowd.html

35 posted on 04/01/2007 9:01:19 AM PDT by Chgogal (Vote Al Qaeda. Vote Democrat.)
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To: Chgogal; DevSix; Cannonette; Steel Wolf; PsyOp; Criminal Number 18F; Squantos; FreedomPoster; ...
What kind of uplift does the RNC pay?

I hear a lot about Bush should do . . ., or the RNC should . . .

What I'm not hearing is much about what WE, the people who want the bad guys defeated and the good guys victorious, should be doing. Our leadership is what it is. We can improve it to some extent by improving our followership. We can also lower our expectations and demand less from our leaders and begin to require more from ourselves.

Sitting around thinking of things the President or the military or the RNC ought to be doing is not as useful as thinking about what WE ought to be doing. And one of the things everybody reading this post on this forum could be doing is donating their time, their electricity, their fingers and their talent to lend a hand in a grass-roots, non-governmental, distributed Information Operations counter propaganda campaign.

36 posted on 04/01/2007 10:07:18 AM PDT by Cannoneer No. 4 (Civilian Irregular Information Defense Group -- Distributed IO and counter-PsyOps)
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To: LS
Failure to counter adversary propaganda can produce many effects.

These range from simple confusion to disrupting ongoing operations. Common effects of hostile propaganda, misinformation, and disinformation, include—

• Prompting neutral parties to resist or not support military operations.

• Increasing adversary will to resist [emboldening them] by fanning hatreds, biases, and predispositions.

• Leading multinational partners [Spain, Germany, Italy] to question their roles in a coalition.

• Inciting riots. [17 people died in Jalalabad rioting over a Koran that never got flushed down the toilet. Newsweek killed those people.]

• Causing refugees to block lines of communication.

Fostering distrust of US or US-led forces causing host nations [Iraq, Afghanistan, Uzbekistan] or other non-belligerant parties to not cooperate with friendly forces

Causing essential communicators [Katie Couric, Brian Williams, et. al] to resist or deny cooperation

Causing diversion of military assets to address problems that, while seemingly insignificant, require significant resources [making mountains out of mole hills and raising a big stink that generals have to stop fighting the war to go deal with]

Leading friendly governments to question their own policies and support for military operations [whittling down the Coalition of the Willing]

37 posted on 04/01/2007 10:24:45 AM PDT by Cannoneer No. 4 (Civilian Irregular Information Defense Group -- Distributed IO and counter-PsyOps)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4
LOL. You mean aside from teaching my three university classes a day, and, among other things, showing the movie "Obsession" or "Confronting Iraq?" Or making some 15 speeches in the last eight months? Or doing almost 100 radio interviews in the lat year?

(all of this on top of working during the Blackwell campaign and walking five different precincts.)

38 posted on 04/01/2007 11:54:23 AM PDT by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of News)
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