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Passengers Sued Over Imams' Removal
AP ^ | March 30, 2007 | PATRICK CONDON

Posted on 03/30/2007 1:45:40 PM PDT by rawhide

Edited on 03/30/2007 2:08:22 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

Six Muslim men removed from a plane last fall after being accused of suspicious behavior are suing not only the airline but the passengers who complained — a move some fear could discourage travelers from speaking up when they see something unusual.

The civil rights lawsuit, filed earlier this month, has so alarmed some lawyers that they are offering to defend the unnamed "John Doe" passengers free of charge. They say it is vital that the flying public be able to report suspicious behavior without fear of being dragged into court.

"When you drive up the road towards the airport, there's a big road sign that says, `Report suspicious behavior,'" said Gerry Nolting, a Minneapolis lawyer. "There's no disclaimer that adds, `But beware if you do that, you might get sued.'"

The six imams were taken off a Phoenix-bound US Airways flight on Nov. 20 while returning home from a conference of Islamic clerics in Minneapolis.

Other passengers had gotten nervous when the men were seen praying and chanting in Arabic as they waited to board. Some passengers also said that the men spoke of Saddam Hussein and cursed the United States; that they requested seat belt extenders with heavy buckles and stowed them under their seats; that they were moving about and conferring with each other during boarding; and that they sat separately in seats scattered through the cabin.

The plane was cleared for a security sweep, nothing was found, and the jet took off without the imams.

The Muslim clerics say they were humiliated, and are seeking unspecified damages from the airline, the Minneapolis airport and, potentially, the John Does.

Omar Mohammedi, the New York City attorney for the imams, said the intent is not to go after passengers who raise valid concerns about security. But he suggested some passengers may have acted in bad faith out of prejudice.

"As an attorney, I have seen a lot of abuse by the general public when it comes to members of the community creating stories that do not exist," Mohammedi said.

He denied the imams were talking about Saddam, and said that their seats were assigned and that they requested extenders because their seat belts didn't fit.

Some fear such lawsuits could weaken what has become the first line of defense against terrorism since Sept. 11 — an alert public. At airports and train and subway stations around the country, travelers are routinely warned to watch for unattended bags and suspicious activity and to notify authorities.

Ellen Howe, spokeswoman for the Transportation Security Administration, which oversees security at all U.S. airports, would not comment specifically on the imams' lawsuit. But she said the TSA counts on passengers to help the agency do its job.

"`See something, say something' is certainly a common mantra in this day and age," Howe said. "We would always remind passengers to be both vigilant and thoughtful."

In reaction to the imams' lawsuit, Congress has taken steps to legally protect passengers who report suspicious activity. Earlier this week, the House approved an amendment to a rail transportation security bill that would make passengers immune from such lawsuits, unless they say something they know is false.

Mohammedi said he has not yet identified any of the complaining passengers. An airport police report listed a passenger and two US Airways employees as complaining about the imams. All three had their names blacked out before the lawsuit was filed by invoking a Minnesota law that allows it, airport spokesman Pat Hogan said.

Nolting said he has been contacted by several potential John Does.

Passenger Pat Snelson, who lives in a Twin Cities suburb, said he and his wife were not among those who reported suspicious behavior. But he said his wife noticed the men praying, and he saw them moving around the cabin while others were boarding.

"These guys were up to no good," Snelson said. "We think the airport people did a real good job in taking care of it."

Bomb-sniffing dogs examined the men and their baggage. FBI agents and other federal law enforcement officers questioned the men for several hours before releasing them.

Billie Vincent, a former director of security for the Federal Aviation Administration, said he is troubled by the mere attempt to identify the passengers who raised concerns.

Airline passengers "are your eyes and your ears," said Vincent, who now owns an aviation security company. "If attorneys can get those names and sue them, you put a chilling effect on the whole system."


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; US: Arizona; US: Minnesota
KEYWORDS: cair; flyingimams; imans; islam; johndoe; lyingimams; minnesota; muhammadsminions; muslim
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To: mewzilla

I hope those Muslims and various attorneys who said they'd help out meant it too. I can't imagine the immans will prevail if this goes to trial, but even the threat of a lawsuit will have the desired effect.


41 posted on 03/30/2007 2:15:45 PM PDT by Peach (The Clinton's' pardoned more terrorists than they captured or killed.)
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To: rawhide

Obviously the terrorists realize the need to stop Americans from reporting suspicious activity - this cramps many of their opportunities. By using our own laws against us they will be free to set up another 9/11 and we will be free to look back on the obvious and unreported signs leading up to the event.


42 posted on 03/30/2007 2:18:20 PM PDT by onevoter
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To: Peach

I looked for the bill...it was H.R. 140l-Railroad and Transportation Bill.

I read throught it..and I believe what I have posted below is the addition that the GOP had put on that bill...because it was highlighted in green, which from the looks of it was how all changes to the whole bill were shown.

It now has to go to the Senate...and of course any differences will have to be discussed in conference...and THEN it will have to be voted on again by the House and Senate.

I thought I heard a blurb on a news segment that Steny Hoyer was NOT happy about his added...so I don't know if they will try to get it taken out in conference or not.

I also didn't read this closely enough to see if it will be retroactive to this particular case...


SEC. 137. IMMUNITY FOR REPORTING SUSPICIOUS ACTIVITIES AND
MITIGATING TERRORIST THREATS RELATING TO TRANSPORTATION SECURITY.

(a) Immunity for Reporting Suspicious Behavior- Any person who makes or causes to be made a voluntary disclosure of any suspicious transaction, activity or occurrence indicating that an individual may be engaging or preparing to engage in a matter described in subsection (b) to any employee or agent of the Department of Homeland Security, the Department of Transportation, the Department of Justice, any Federal, State, or local law enforcement officer, any transportation security officer, or to any employee or agent of a transportation system shall be immune from civil liability to any person under any law or regulation of the United States, any constitution, law, or regulation of any State or political subdivision of any State, for such disclosure.(b) Covered Disclosures- The matter referred to in subsection (a) is a possible violation or attempted violation of law or regulation relating--(1) to a threat to transportation systems or passenger safety or security; or(2) to an act of terrorism, as defined in section 3077 of title 18, United States Code, that involves or is directed against transportation systems or passengers.(c) Immunity for Mitigation of Threats- Any person, including an owner, operator or employee of a transportation system, who takes reasonable action to mitigate a suspicious matter described in subsection (b) shall be immune from civil liability to any person under any law or regulation of the United States, any constitution, law, or regulation of any State or political subdivision of any State, for such action.(d) Limitation on Application- Subsection (a) shall not apply to a statement or disclosure by a person that, at the time it is made, is known by the person to be false.(e) Attorney Fees and Costs- If a person is named as a defendant in a civil lawsuit for making voluntary disclosures of any suspicious transaction or taking actions to mitigate a suspicious matter described in subsection (b), and the person is found to be immune from civil liability under this section, the person shall be entitled to recover from the plaintiff all reasonable costs and attorney's fees as allowed by the court.(f) Retroactive Application- This section shall apply to activities and claims occurring on or after November 20, 2006.


43 posted on 03/30/2007 2:19:54 PM PDT by Txsleuth
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To: Enchante

See the post I just posted to Peach..it has the actually bill language for that provision (at least I believe that is it).


44 posted on 03/30/2007 2:20:59 PM PDT by Txsleuth
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To: samadams2000
I would respond

They won't like that. Cheap thugs always get upset when the victims resist.

45 posted on 03/30/2007 2:21:26 PM PDT by Regulator
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To: Txsleuth

Thanks, Txsleuth. Just the threat of a lawsuit will make some pasengers think twice about complaining about strange behavior from the Muzzies.

At least Republicans are TRYING to give assurances to passengers, unlike the Democrats who seem intent on doing anything they can to actually benefit the enemy.


46 posted on 03/30/2007 2:22:19 PM PDT by Peach (The Clinton's' pardoned more terrorists than they captured or killed.)
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To: rawhide
Omar Mohammedi, the New York City attorney for the imams, said the intent is not to go after passengers who raise valid concerns about security.

Yeah right. Sure.

47 posted on 03/30/2007 2:25:21 PM PDT by proud American in Canada ("We can, and we will prevail.")
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To: Lexington Green
Thanks, that quote is going right into my "reason with the moonbats" file. Easter is coming, time for family!

Here is a video I got from the UAC.org site. Three former Muslim terrorists, one who is a homegrown American from Dearborn, MI. I watched it twice and am still stunned.

http://www.shoebat.com/cn8.php

48 posted on 03/30/2007 2:32:37 PM PDT by ishabibble (ALL AMERICAN INFIDEL)
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To: GalaxieFiveHundred
You got that right my FRiend...

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50 posted on 03/30/2007 2:35:22 PM PDT by mkjessup (If Reagan were still with us, he'd ask us to "win one more for the Gipper, vote for Duncan Hunter!")
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To: rawhide

Terrorism by litigation.


51 posted on 03/30/2007 2:36:52 PM PDT by dinoparty
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To: rawhide

It was a set-up fom the start. The plan was to act suspiciously, get thrown off, and then get 'civil rights' laws passed and damage awards in court, so as to discourage the public from reporting muslims who look suspicious. Pave the way for the next attack.


52 posted on 03/30/2007 2:37:22 PM PDT by San Jacinto
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To: rawhide
Those "John Does" may end up in prison for "violating the imams civil rights"...........my bad, I overreacted......
53 posted on 03/30/2007 2:37:51 PM PDT by yield 2 the right
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To: rawhide

This will be laughed out of court.


54 posted on 03/30/2007 2:39:23 PM PDT by veronica (http://www.cadillaccicatrix.com/)
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To: hophead

Seriously, can you imagine any of this nonsense being tolerated during WWII. These clowns would have vanished. Problem is a large segment of the population truly believe we are not at war.


55 posted on 03/30/2007 2:40:21 PM PDT by warsaw44
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To: rawhide

don't remember who it was, but I think a Freeper predicted this.

jw


56 posted on 03/30/2007 2:41:04 PM PDT by JWinNC (www.anailinhisplace.net)
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To: rawhide
"These guys were up to no good," Snelson said.

And continue to be up to no good.

57 posted on 03/30/2007 2:41:11 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: rawhide

The John Does should file a counter suit claiming that the Imams intended to provoke them.


58 posted on 03/30/2007 2:41:30 PM PDT by Boiler Plate (Mom always said why be difficult, when with just a little more effort you can be impossible.)
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To: rawhide
Just in case you guys didn't either read the Michelle Malkin column or see the Hot Air video (or want to get some "I am John Doe" merchandise), mash here for the Malkin One Stop Shop.

And for the Islamokazis that somehow missed my tagline or my blog entries (I'll let you find those two among the trackbacks at Michelle's site), allow me to spell it out for you...


59 posted on 03/30/2007 2:41:39 PM PDT by steveegg (I am John Doe.)
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To: Txsleuth
I also didn't read this closely enough to see if it will be retroactive to this particular case...
Yep. That's section (f).
(f) Retroactive Application- This section shall apply to activities and claims occurring on or after November 20, 2006.

Of course, watch Dingy Harry try to strip this out.

60 posted on 03/30/2007 2:44:12 PM PDT by steveegg (I am John Doe.)
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