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Forbes: Social Issues Won't Derail Rudy
Human Events Online | March 30, 2007 | John Gizzi

Posted on 03/30/2007 2:53:04 PM PDT by poisonivy27

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To: PhilDragoo
Unless a Republican can beat Hillary and keep the war on islamofascism in the enemy's turf, the other issues are moot.

Agreed. The WOT is the ONLY issue in the '08 election. Unless we are successful in defeating Islamofascism AND debombing Iran, we won't have to worry about abortion, guns and gays.

161 posted on 04/01/2007 9:53:38 AM PDT by KATIE-O (Rudy Giuliani - Restoring Optimism in '08)
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To: antivenom
"....High cyber five from me to you on your comment...we need a Commander in Chief who "has never forgotten the events on 9-11!......"

Thanks! I'm not sure I made that statement but I certainly agree with it.

162 posted on 04/01/2007 10:21:51 AM PDT by KATIE-O (Rudy Giuliani - Restoring Optimism in '08)
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To: hinckley buzzard
"..........Dream on. If "Hiltery" wins in 2008 there's no four years and out. And by 2016 this country won't be recognizable in today's terms. "Conservatives" will be competing to see who can raise the most taxes for national health insurance by then.


You made many excellent points and I'm amazed that some here prefer to put social issues ahead of the WOT, Iran, North Korea and the huge mess this country would be in if Hillary and Bubba are back in power. It's too excruciating to contemplate.

163 posted on 04/01/2007 10:38:57 AM PDT by KATIE-O (Rudy Giuliani - Restoring Optimism in '08)
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To: My2Cents
"......Ditto that, Katie-O. A lot of "movement conservatives" are in for a rude awakening when Giuliani rolls to the nomination and election with them standing on the sidelines....."

In a perfect world we may be able to hold out for a strict conservative who agreed with us on every single issue. That time is not now. We need strong leadership, someone we know can walk the walk and send Hillary (and the Pervert) packing.

164 posted on 04/01/2007 11:29:17 AM PDT by KATIE-O (Rudy Giuliani - Restoring Optimism in '08)
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To: Ciexyz
"..........The Democrats are surely chuckling with glee as they contemplate sticking their hands in our pockets and pulling out more of OUR money. I'm from PA, run by the Democrats, land of high taxes where prosperity is "bring on more casinos and public financing of stadiums". That's America's future if we let another Democrat get the White House..........."

8 more years of a Hillary and Bubba administration would bring us more corruption, more lies, more SOCIALISM, higher taxes and a more illegals flooding across our borders. Not to mention the appeasing DEM-WITS trying to play kissy face with the worlds worst dictators. Sandy Burgler would manage to blackmail his way into a position in a Clinton II administration (does anyone believe he stole those documents on his own?) No thanks, I'll take Rudy any day.

165 posted on 04/01/2007 11:37:41 AM PDT by KATIE-O (Rudy Giuliani - Restoring Optimism in '08)
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To: antivenom

Re: Donut Holes

Word for the Day:

Wowser (Noun)
Pronunciation: [waw-zê(r)]

Definition: Regional colloquialism (Australia and New Zealand). A puritanical fanatic, a prudish teetotaler; a killjoy and party-pooper all rolled into one.

Usage: The 'Daily News' wrote April 4, 1909, "‘Wowser’ is a term applied by certain portions of the Australian press to persons of all denominations, more particularly to those fanatical on temperance and social evils."

According to 'The Nation' May 11, 1912, a wowser is "one who wants to compel everybody else...to do whatever he thinks right, and abstain from everything he thinks wrong." The noun is wowserism "party-poopery," the adjective is "wowserish," and a wowserish person may also be a wowserite.


166 posted on 04/01/2007 1:16:17 PM PDT by TET1968 (SI MINOR PLUS EST ERGO NIHIL SUNT OMNIA)
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To: neverhillorat
Just looking at the top 3 who have declared; Giuliani, McCain, and Romney; can you tell me any reason that I should vote for the first two over the third in the primary?

I'm not a Romney supporter as of yet, but at least he has some semblance of a conservative record.

167 posted on 04/02/2007 3:00:00 PM PDT by GunRunner (Rudy 2008, because conservatives can't win.)
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To: GunRunner

I haven`t decided yet, although need to add Thompson to the list. All four would be better then Bubba`s wifey.


168 posted on 04/02/2007 3:08:23 PM PDT by neverhillorat (HILLORAT WINS, WE ALL LOSE)
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To: neverhillorat
I didn't include Thompson because he hasn't declared yet. He is my choice as well.

But if Giuliani is elected, we will have lost the party; conservatives will no longer be running show. It will be a party run by Giuliani/McCain/Lieberman/Chaffee/Jeffords types rather than the party of Reagan.

We will find ourselves without a viable conservative party to mount national challenges against a veritable force of liberal kooks that now run the Democrat party. There is more at stake than just beating Hillary.

169 posted on 04/02/2007 8:00:46 PM PDT by GunRunner (Rudy 2008, because conservatives can't win.)
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To: GunRunner

The nominee of the Republican party will be a Conservative. Not in some peoples eyes of course, doubt Reagan could get their support, them being so highly principled then we mere mortals. But even though they think so, they DON`T control the party and they don`t get people elected. People that can`t compromise a little, don`t get things done and most voters realize that. Just look at the number of New Congressman Tom Tancredo added to his legion’s in the last election. ZERO


170 posted on 04/02/2007 10:37:30 PM PDT by neverhillorat (HILLORAT WINS, WE ALL LOSE)
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To: neverhillorat
Winning the party nomination does not by default make you a conservative. You can dress Giuliani up any way you want, he is not a conservative and will not govern like one.

He would run the war on terror much like Lieberman probably would, not such a bad thing but it doesn't mean I should vote for him in the primary when there are also real conservatives running, and it certainly doesn't make him one.

171 posted on 04/02/2007 10:50:04 PM PDT by GunRunner (Rudy 2008, because conservatives can't win.)
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To: GunRunner
JUST WHAT IS A REAL CONSERVATIVE?
Excuse me, but this election should be the end of this stupid crap! Do you like what Nancy and the gang have tried so far? Imagine a Rat Congress and Hillorat in the White House! Then there is the War on Terror,. Do you want her running that too?
Rudy, not my guy yet, cut taxes 20 some times, he`s tough on crime, he`s a leader, he says he`ll appoint our types as judges and, HE CAN BEAT HILLORAT!
172 posted on 04/02/2007 11:20:49 PM PDT by neverhillorat (HILLORAT WINS< WE ALL LOSE)
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To: neverhillorat
Rudy, not my guy yet, cut taxes 20 some times, he`s tough on crime, he`s a leader, he says he`ll appoint our types as judges and, HE CAN BEAT HILLORAT!

OK, then let's call up the RNC and cancel the primary; no since in having it because only Giuliani can beat Hillary. From now on conservatism is no longer defined by ideas, it is instead determined by your ability to hold an early lead in the polls.

Another rule of thumb is that anyone who points out the inherent liberalism of Giuliani is just trying to get Hillary elected.

Boy I love the way this party is going.

173 posted on 04/03/2007 12:27:28 PM PDT by GunRunner (Rudy 2008, because conservatives can't win.)
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To: poisonivy27

“Several”?


174 posted on 04/03/2007 12:30:15 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Jeff Head
I was finally able to nail down a Rudy bot on another thread as to why they were supporting Giuliani. From what I could piece together, it basically boils down this:

-there is no set definition of a conservative, so you have no right to judge who is and who isn't a conservative, especially Rudy
-Rudy is tough on terrorism
-he cut taxes dozens of times
-he is tough on crime
-he's a leader
-he says he'll appoint constructionists judges
-he can beat Hillary

The Rudy bots saturate their brain with these tidbits, and then put blinders and earmuffs on to everything else. Don't bother brining up Rudy's endorsement of federal funding for abortion or his support of gun registration. They'll just do what Democrats do with terrorism, ignore it and treat it like it doesn't exist.

They then become irrationally angry and vindictive to anyone who questions whether Rudy should be the nominee, and they usually throw in something like "not supporting Rudy is just as bad as voting for Hillary."

They're hoping that Rudy's early lead in the polls will translate into automatic victory without any real debate on conservative principles.

I also think that Rudy's candidacy is part media creation rather than any kind of real grassroots repub support. The media is dreaming over a Giuliani/Hillary '08 matchup.

175 posted on 04/03/2007 12:52:36 PM PDT by GunRunner (Rudy 2008, because conservatives can't win.)
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To: GunRunner
Be careful, some might say you are describing the anti-Rudy gang.
176 posted on 04/03/2007 7:31:44 PM PDT by neverhillorat (HILLORAT WINS< WE ALL LOSE)
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To: KATIE-O
Julie-Annie is no different than Mrs. Clintong...


177 posted on 04/03/2007 7:39:42 PM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: neverhillorat
JUST WHAT IS A REAL CONSERVATIVE?

It is not in this picture...


178 posted on 04/03/2007 7:41:50 PM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: poisonivy27
Tuesday, June 20, 2000
MAYOR GIULIANI AND SPEAKER VALLONE ANNOUNCE CITY LAWSUIT AGAINST GUN INDUSTRY,

While he was the “Republican Mayor” of New York City he appointed more than 60 men and women to the Civil, Criminal, and Family Court benchs. In all of those judicial appointment only two were Republican.

All of his other judical appointments were either registered Liberals or registered Democrats. As the “Republican Mayor” he had appointment power over more than 70 full commissioners in more than 50 City agencies, yet at no time during his administration did REPUBLICANS account for more than 10% of those appointments.

He even appointed Chuck Schumers wife as the City’s Department of Transportation Commissioner.


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http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/9054.html

“And even as we grieve for those who lost their lives, and our hearts and prayers go out to the victims and their loved ones, we may be able to find some sort of meaning in this tragedy by using it as a catalyst to revive national gun control efforts.”
Rudolph Giuliani

179 posted on 04/03/2007 7:43:26 PM PDT by narses ("Freedom is about authority." - Rudolph Giuliani)
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To: neverhillorat

“he says he`ll appoint our types as judges “

He lied. See above.


180 posted on 04/03/2007 7:44:18 PM PDT by narses ("Freedom is about authority." - Rudolph Giuliani)
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