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To: Dr. Frank fan
I think he is right.

I think he is talking big, but has never been in a position to show that he would do what he expects these people to do. It's very easy to tell others they should jeopardize their lives when one hasn't bothered to put himself in a position to do so.

But does that include all the "apologies", wearing the hijab, etc.?

I don't know. But if they've told them to surrender rather than fight, it is highly unlikely they would then tell them to behave in captivity in such a way as to endanger the lives they were previously ordered to try to save. To claim that they were expected to do so is ludicrous.

And again, that's not an argument for anything either way.

It's pointing out the hypocrisy of demanding that others put their lives at risk while sitting comfortably and safely behind a keyboard.

78 posted on 04/04/2007 10:56:13 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: MEGoody
It's very easy to tell others they should jeopardize their lives when one hasn't bothered to put himself in a position to do so.

You keep saying that. You're right. It's just not an argument against Derb's actual point. So why do you keep saying it?

But if they've told them to surrender rather than fight, it is highly unlikely they would then tell them to behave in captivity in such a way as to endanger the lives they were previously ordered to try to save.

Now who's jumping the gun? There's no evidence their lives were threatened if they did not say these things.

It's pointing out the hypocrisy of demanding that others put their lives at risk while sitting comfortably and safely behind a keyboard.

Yes, that's what you're doing, and I'm pointing out that "hypocrite!" is a weak argument. It really doesn't matter if Derb is a hypocrite (and he acknowledges the possibility!), if he's right. I think he's right.

85 posted on 04/04/2007 11:02:00 AM PDT by Dr. Frank fan
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To: MEGoody

“It’s pointing out the hypocrisy of demanding that others put their lives at risk while sitting comfortably and safely behind a keyboard.”

Hypocrisy? You mean when Derb was captured by the Iranians he punked out? Learn the definition of “Hypocrit”.

The word you want to use but have no evidence for is “coward”. So go with the usual “chickenhawk”.

Meantime consider this: If you or England or America (or anyone) think you can change the historicaliy advisable conduct for soldiers to something more ‘sensitive’ or ‘thoughtful’ you WILL find yourself on the business end of a bayonet one day. If that ISN’T true then thousands of years worth of warriors were suicidal morons.

If you choose dishonor over war you will get BOTH(Churchill). Iran is in a declared war with the West. It doesn’t really matter if the West makes believe that have a choice in the matter because they don’t.

The victory that Iran takes from the feckless and weak and cowardly performance of the last few days gaurantees that Iran will escalate the declared war.


139 posted on 04/04/2007 12:10:41 PM PDT by TalBlack
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