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They're free, but Britain has been humiliated
The Telegraph ^ | Last Updated: 12:01am BST 05/04/2007 | Editorial

Posted on 04/04/2007 6:58:21 PM PDT by Eurotwit

Relief at the freeing of the British sailors and Marines in Iran is tempered with dismay at the humiliation to which they and the country they serve have been subjected.

The 14 men and one woman are due to return to Britain today, in time to be reunited with their families for Easter, a point not lost on President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad when he announced their release.

The Government will congratulate itself on securing their liberation within the relatively short period - given the complexities of dealing with the various power centres in Iran - of 12 days. It will also be pleased that they are physically unharmed, though we do not yet know the psychological pressures they may have been put under. An initial high-risk policy of taking the abduction to the United Nations Security Council was replaced by low-key diplomacy, in which the dispatch to Teheran of Sir Nigel Sheinwald, Tony Blair's foreign policy adviser and Britain's ambassador-designate to Washington, seems to have been crucial.

The announcement of the captives' release followed his meeting on Tuesday night with Ali Larijani, head of Iran's Supreme National Security Council. And their freeing has taken place without the Government's having to apologise for an incident, the alleged straying into Iranian waters, that it has formally denied.

Yet the satisfaction of a diplomatic challenge eventually handled with skill is soured by the string of psychological humiliations that Britain has suffered.

First, there is the apparent incompetence of the Royal Navy in providing insufficient protection to lightly armed inflatables, at a time when relations between Iran and the West were particularly volatile following the imposition of UN sanctions. Second, the seized personnel lost no time in admitting to having trespassed and in apologising for their mistake. The old military practice of giving name, rank and number, and no more, has obviously been abandoned.

Third, the dénouement of this crisis showed Mr Ahmadinejad in the most favourable of lights, whether in "pardoning" the 15, pleading on their behalf with Mr Blair, admonishing this country for separating a mother, Leading Seaman Faye Turney, from her child, or shaking hands and chatting with the newly besuited Servicemen after his press conference.

The Iranian president has rightly been demonised in the West for his call for Israel's destruction and his pursuit of a nuclear weapons programme in defiance of the UN. Yet yesterday he was able to adopt the moral high ground, admonishing the Government while treating graciously those who had been acting on its behalf at the head of the Gulf.

This bodes badly for the West's relations with Teheran over a number of acutely difficult problems during the coming months: its defiance of UN sanctions imposed because of a refusal to halt uranium enrichment; its heightened meddling in Iraq; and its continued support for terrorist movements - Hizbollah, Hamas, Islamic Jihad and elements of Fatah - vowed to Israel's destruction. During the recent crisis, Iran has yielded not a jot on any of these matters. Rather, the approval it has enjoyed on the Islamic "street" for humiliating an old enemy is likely to make it even more intransigent.

Labour has invested much diplomatic capital in trying to engage revolutionary Iran. But the seizure of the sailors and Marines has enabled Teheran to paint it back into a corner of close association with the "Great Satan", America, and to reawaken the Iranian public's historic suspicion of British designs.

No one would pretend that it is easy to deal with a nation that, since 1979, has shown itself prepared to treat norms of diplomatic behaviour with contempt. However, the steps that led to the seizure of the 15 on March 23 must be thoroughly investigated.

It appears that the Royal Navy has a lot to answer for.


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: dhimmitude; iran; islamophiles; islamophilia; muhammadsminions; uk
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1 posted on 04/04/2007 6:58:22 PM PDT by Eurotwit
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To: Eurotwit

The Sun’s Editorial:

THANK goodness they are free at last.

It is a huge relief to see an end to the Iran captives crisis, which worsened the longer it went on.

But the sight of the illegally-detained British forces thanking Iranian tyrants for their freedom will sicken the nation.

Smirking President Ahmadinejad milked the humiliating moment for all it was worth.

The ratings were paraded in cheap new suits and had to grovel in public for his blessing. Their 13-day ordeal should soon be over.

But nobody emerges from this crisis with credit.

The Royal Navy failed to protect the patrol — or spot boatloads of heavily-armed Republican Guards racing to ambush it.

Britain’s official response was at times uncertain and, in the case of Foreign Secretary Margaret Beckett, downright embarrassing.

The UN emerged in its true colours — divided and ineffectual.

The real villains are the Iranians who grabbed a non-aggressive British crew acting legally under a UN mandate.

At no time did the British personnel stray out of the area they were supposed to be in.

Yet the mullahs forced terrified mum Faye Turney and her shipmates to “confess” they were in Iranian waters — and to apologise.

Nobody knows the pressures they faced, but the sight of British servicemen — apparently relaxed and unharmed — criticising their own Government was less than edifying.

In the end, Iran got what it wanted. It probed the responses of the civilised world at a moment of international tension.

It found neither Britain nor its allies have the clout or confidence to take on a fanatical regime that today represents the biggest threat to world peace.

Tony Blair insists there have been “no negotiations”.

But who will be surprised if half a dozen Iranian insurgents are quietly set free in a few months time?

Those are questions for later.

Today, let’s be joyful that our people are coming home at last.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,31-2007150643,00.html


2 posted on 04/04/2007 6:59:27 PM PDT by Eurotwit (WI - CSC)
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To: Eurotwit

Well, perhaps this humiliation will translate into halting their proposed massive military (especially Naval) downsizing.


3 posted on 04/04/2007 7:01:29 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: Eurotwit

They’re neither released to the embassy nor on the way home yet.


4 posted on 04/04/2007 7:04:24 PM PDT by 1066AD
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To: Mr. Mojo

....and will spur them to change their dangerous and ridiculously politically correct rules of engagement.


5 posted on 04/04/2007 7:06:06 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: Eurotwit

Humiliated is the right word. I’d toss in cowardly as well.


6 posted on 04/04/2007 7:06:22 PM PDT by pissant (Rudy fans: the Oprah republicans)
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To: Eurotwit

Sir Nigel Sheinwald - what do we know about him?


7 posted on 04/04/2007 7:06:34 PM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: pissant

Time to go get 15 of them, and hold them for couple of months, and give it back at ‘em.


8 posted on 04/04/2007 7:07:23 PM PDT by RightResponse (It depends on what the defamation of Islam is .....)
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To: Eurotwit

This ended up being remarkably similar to the horrible EP-3 incident the US experienced in 2001. Bush said he “regretted” things, soft appeasement at its worst, just like has happened here.

The worst thing is that the POWs caved in to very low levels of coercion / torture and made terrible statements. What ever happened to name, rank and serial number, and nothing more, under pain of extreme torture, perhaps even death?


9 posted on 04/04/2007 7:08:25 PM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: 1066AD
They’re neither released to the embassy nor on the way home yet.

I was going to say that until they are actually out of the country I wouldn't be celebrating. Nutjob has changed his mind more than once and it wouldn't surprise me this time either.
10 posted on 04/04/2007 7:09:03 PM PDT by YellowRoseofTx
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To: Eurotwit
They're free, but Britain has been humiliated

Without question.

The last 3 nations it appears truly ready to stand and fight are us, Poland and Australia

11 posted on 04/04/2007 7:09:58 PM PDT by SevenMinusOne
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To: sageb1

The invisible men who defused the crisis

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/04/05/wiran305.xml


12 posted on 04/04/2007 7:11:50 PM PDT by Eurotwit (WI - CSC)
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To: Eurotwit

bttt


13 posted on 04/04/2007 7:11:57 PM PDT by Guenevere (Duncan Hunter for President, 2008!!)
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To: Eurotwit

Now if it was me, I would have picked up the entire Iranian embassy in the UK, and filed through their papers, just taking inventory, don’t you know.

Further, I would have given the UK embassy notice so they could burn their papers in plenty of time. That, and warned their security (do they use marines too?) to be ready.

Then, before negotiating the exchange I would identify the large persian city that would be destroyed if any of the detained personnel were harmed. Each day of negotiation I would add a city to that list.

Just as an inducement for them to keep their psychopaths under tight leash...


14 posted on 04/04/2007 7:12:44 PM PDT by donmeaker (The speed of light is 186,234 miles per second. Not just a good idea, its the LAW!)
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To: Eurotwit

Thank you kindly.


15 posted on 04/04/2007 7:12:50 PM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: Eurotwit

I don’t find this article at all compelling.

It is typically euro hyper introspection. WE are at fault. WE are weak, humiliated, pathetic, and worthy of scorn. Our enemies are glorious and impressive. WE are grateful for the goodness they are and apologetic for the nothingness we are.

How can such a pathological view persist?


16 posted on 04/04/2007 7:13:26 PM PDT by lonestar67 (Its time to withdraw from the War on Bush-- your side is hopelessly lost in a quagmire.)
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To: Eurotwit

Are they really freed yet? Or just the dog and pony show and jawjaw?


17 posted on 04/04/2007 7:13:58 PM PDT by bvw
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To: Mr. Mojo
I was thinking that as well. Let’s hope this Iranian barbarism reminds England that its forces are needed. Their army is, I believe, the 26th largest. Their navy, if the proposals go through, will be half the size it was during the Falkland’s War.
18 posted on 04/04/2007 7:14:07 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Al Qaeda knows Iraq's strategic value, yet the Democrats work day and night for our defeat there.)
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To: Eurotwit

It’s good to get them home. If they actually get let go.


19 posted on 04/04/2007 7:14:57 PM PDT by yldstrk (My heros have always been cowboys--Reagan and Bush)
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To: Eurotwit

Why has Britain been humiliated? Where there is no honor, there is no humiliation.


20 posted on 04/04/2007 7:16:09 PM PDT by caisson71
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