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Tied up, blindfolded, waiting to die: the truth about the hostages' ordeal
The Independent | April 7, 2007 | Terri Judd

Posted on 04/07/2007 4:07:57 PM PDT by Kaslin

Article can ot be posted as per publisher’s copyright complaint.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; United Kingdom; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: bombirannow; crimnals; iran; iraq; piracy

1 posted on 04/07/2007 4:07:58 PM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

Rosie said it was all a ruse to provoke Iran into a war with the USA. This article must be more American propaganda.


2 posted on 04/07/2007 4:12:40 PM PDT by 4yearlurker (forbidden fruit creates many jams.)
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To: Kaslin

Amazing how McCain et al survived years of things worse and yet somehow managed to maintained (for the most part) the military’s code of conduct.


3 posted on 04/07/2007 4:18:40 PM PDT by doc1019 (Fred Thompson '08)
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To: Kaslin

As I understand it, the vessel the Brit’s were inspecting was some type of ocean going vessel. Why did the British officer order a retreat from the “high ground” to the undefendable zodiacs?


4 posted on 04/07/2007 4:21:32 PM PDT by fso301
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To: Kaslin
The information in the article is the same as the press conference. The captives were scared. However, in reality, there were no fake executions. There were no threats except trial and imprisonment. They were fed three times a day and given cigarettes. They were given clothes and slept on blankets. There certainly was nothing “brutal” about their treatment. The soldiers, and one must keep in mind they were soldiers, decided to roll over and cooperate with their captors almost immediately with little evidence of overt coercion.

I guess the code of military conduct must now be amended to include “being scared” as an allowable reason for cooperating with your captors as a POW.

5 posted on 04/07/2007 4:24:13 PM PDT by Prokopton
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To: 4yearlurker

I wish someone would skewer that fat pig on a spit and roast her big ass over an open fire.


6 posted on 04/07/2007 4:25:27 PM PDT by stm (Believe 1% of what you hear in the drive-by media and take half of that with a grain of salt)
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To: fso301

I would not be surprised if the Lt. that was in charge doesn’t soon decide to leave the service for better opportunities.


7 posted on 04/07/2007 4:26:46 PM PDT by doc1019 (Fred Thompson '08)
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To: doc1019

He did not maintain it nearly to the extent you might think. I have a good friend here in town, Bill Hardman, who was an A-6 Bombadier. He was shot down over Vietnam in 1968 and spent several years in the Hanoi Hilton with McCain. According to Bill he was a weasel of Biblical proportions and was generally shunned by most of the Americans in that camp. He was good friends with several of the guards, however. I will leave the rest to your imagination.


8 posted on 04/07/2007 4:28:44 PM PDT by stm (Believe 1% of what you hear in the drive-by media and take half of that with a grain of salt)
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To: doc1019

Like a book deal?


9 posted on 04/07/2007 4:29:15 PM PDT by stm (Believe 1% of what you hear in the drive-by media and take half of that with a grain of salt)
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To: stm

That’s why I said …”for the most part” …


10 posted on 04/07/2007 4:36:38 PM PDT by doc1019 (Fred Thompson '08)
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To: stm

LOL!


11 posted on 04/07/2007 4:37:10 PM PDT by doc1019 (Fred Thompson '08)
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To: stm

By the way, have any of the folks that spent time with McCain ever written a book that included this information? Needs to be broadcasted in the greatest way, especially now.


12 posted on 04/07/2007 4:40:27 PM PDT by doc1019 (Fred Thompson '08)
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To: stm

“I wish someone would skewer that fat pig on a spit and roast her big ass over an open fire.”

Not anywhere within several miles of me, I hope. The smell would gag me.


13 posted on 04/07/2007 4:43:37 PM PDT by rogator
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To: Kaslin
"We did our utmost to de-escalate the situation but our words fell on deaf ears.

So while you were de-escalating, the enemy was escalating. Tell me who's going to win that confrontation.

They had come with a clear purpose and were never going to leave without us."

In other words, the enemy completed his objective and you didn't complete your objective. Tell me who's going to win that confrontation.

It's a good thing that the UK has a BIG reputation, but that's being squandered at a pretty rapid clip.

14 posted on 04/07/2007 5:14:23 PM PDT by HeartlandOfAmerica ("Global warming" and "Climate Change" are the biggest hoaxes ever perpetrated by confidence (wo)men!)
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To: Kaslin

The truth shall set you free?


15 posted on 04/07/2007 6:24:49 PM PDT by gpapa
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To: doc1019

“I would not be surprised if the Lt. that was in charge doesn’t soon decide to leave the service for better opportunities.”

The fact that these hostages interviewed in this article seem to think that they did well not to embarass their country says little for the standards they hold for themselves.

It’s incredible to read those things out of their very mouths.


16 posted on 04/07/2007 6:47:42 PM PDT by rbmillerjr ("Message to radical jihadis...come to my hood, it's understood ------ it's open season" Stuck Mojo)
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To: rbmillerjr

I agree.

When I was in the military (68-78), this kind of conduct would never have been tolerated.

We looked to our officers for leadership (obviously none here), we were instructed to never and I mean never cooperate with the enemy.

Can’t wait to see what happens to this despicable LT., leader … not!


17 posted on 04/07/2007 7:00:49 PM PDT by doc1019 (Fred Thompson '08)
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To: rbmillerjr
American POWs who had flown with Stockdale had no doubt as to what was expected of them as prisoners. The knowledge, however, was a two-edged sword--on one hand, the captives were glad to understand the guidelines. On the other, when they "broke" (which inevitable they did), immense guilt and shame ensued. Eventually, as they communicated with one another, everyone understood that they had only to do their best. It was not possible to resist utterly and survive. A few who cooperated with the enemy "above and beyond" what was considered appropriate, received special treatment from their guards in return. These men were despised by other POWs who were doing their best to adhere to the Code of Conduct. Upon his return, Jim Stockdale accused two POWs of mutiny. Official charges were never brought against these men, or any others similarly accused.

You might have to copy and paste this to get there, but here is the scoop on a real leader and hero..James Stockdale Highest reanking POW in Nam http://www.pownetwork.org/bios/s/s118.htm

18 posted on 04/07/2007 7:17:30 PM PDT by Pure Country
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To: doc1019

“I would not be surprised if the Lt. that was in charge doesn’t soon decide to leave the service for better opportunities.”

You mean like this??
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1813838/posts


19 posted on 04/07/2007 8:11:50 PM PDT by RDTF (They should have put down Barbarella instead of Barbaro)
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To: doc1019

laugh your ass off before you weep.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1813838/posts


20 posted on 04/07/2007 8:50:33 PM PDT by Harrius Magnus (Pucker up Mo, and your dhimmi Leftist freaks, here comes your Jizya!)
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To: stm

I also believe mccain was the ONLY viet nam P.O.W. that gained weight during captivity.


21 posted on 04/07/2007 9:01:19 PM PDT by stumpy
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To: doc1019

Maybe the Dems have been holding back so if he ever gets the nod, the “Swift Boating” of John McCain can begin?


22 posted on 04/07/2007 9:05:30 PM PDT by streetpreacher (What if you're wrong?)
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To: stm
http://www.arlingtoncemetery.net/ltprofilet.htm

LEO T. PROFILET
Captain - United States Navy
Shot Down: August 21, 1967
Released: March 14, 1973

I am 46 years old now, a career Naval Officer with 26 years of continuous active service; a Naval Aviator since 1949. In 1950-51 I flew 98 missions in Korea in the venerable A-1 "Spad", a propeller driven attack aircraft. I have a BS in Aeronautical Engineering and am a graduate of the Naval War College. Cairo, Illinois is my birthplace, where I grew up to the age of 18. Then I attended Loyola University in New Orleans before starting flight training at Pensacola, Florida. I have four children, ages 16 to 23. My oldest, a daughter, is married. My family moved from Whidby Island, Washington in 1969 (two years after I was shot down) to Palo Alto, California. So they have been there four years now, which is by far a record for us.

In 1966 I took command of Attack Squadron 196, an A-6 Intruder squadron flying
from the USS Constellation. In August 1967 I was shot down on my 59th mission
while diving on a target just outside of Hanoi. My bombardier-navigator, Cdr. Bill Hardman, and I were captured immediately and taken quickly to the prison in Hanoi. I did not see Bill for the next 5 1/2  years, but we came out together on the Operation Homecoming flight from Hanoi to Clark AFB in March, 1973. During my years in Hanoi I never lost faith in the American people. When I learned of the tremendous support given to the POW/MIA cause, the many organizations who responded to the call of our wives and families, that wonderful bracelet program, the letter writing campaigns, the profoundly moving welcome home - I knew that my faith was right on. The strength of our beautiful nation comes from her people. I hope that all of  us, especially our young people, will become as personally involved in the future of America as with the POW/MIA cause.

I thank all of America for getting us home with honor. Let us not forget that the real heroes are our families who went through years of torment and anguish. And remember that the families of the men MIA are still undergoing that torment and anguish. Also, let us not forget the thousands who did not survive, nor the men who came home wounded, some crippled for life. Theirs was a far greater sacrifice than mine.

Leo Profilet retired from the United States Navy as a Captain. He and his wife Sue resided in California until his death January 30, 2004. He is survived his wife, two sons, and two daughters. Burial Arlington National Cemetery, on 21 April 2004.

23 posted on 04/07/2007 9:14:49 PM PDT by streetpreacher (What if you're wrong?)
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To: stm
I wish someone would skewer that fat pig on a spit and roast her big ass over an open fire.

I hope I'm upwind when it happens. Way upwind. Can you imagine the grease fire that could result from such a barbecue?

24 posted on 04/07/2007 9:32:30 PM PDT by Wycowboy
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To: doc1019
We could Swift Boat him!!!

Bwahahahahahahahahahaaaaaa!!!!
25 posted on 04/08/2007 7:23:17 AM PDT by stm (Believe 1% of what you hear in the drive-by media and take half of that with a grain of salt)
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To: HeartlandOfAmerica
So while you were de-escalating, the enemy was escalating. Tell me who's going to win that confrontation.

According to the pansified liberal left and all the rest of the terror coddling spinless ilk, more de-escalation will win the day- evidently some 10,000+ years of proof that shows that 'negotiations with those who wish you dead' isn't quite enough proof that 'de-escalating tactics' NEVER work

26 posted on 04/08/2007 11:24:10 AM PDT by CottShop
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To: CottShop
Scary, isn't it?

And scarier yet is that I heard one of the captured sailors use the term "de-escalate" as well as the Admiral commanding the flotilla that the Cornwall was attached to.

It's not a ROE, it's a MINDSET!

27 posted on 04/08/2007 11:44:42 AM PDT by HeartlandOfAmerica ("Global warming" and "Climate Change" are the biggest hoaxes ever perpetrated by confidence (wo)men!)
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To: stm

Can I help? I can’t stand her.


28 posted on 04/08/2007 1:37:31 PM PDT by greccogirl
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