Posted on 04/10/2007 9:08:57 AM PDT by Rb ver. 2.0
Sure it would include those folks. But....
Are you saying that he knew these girls were underage? It is my understanding that he was not personally there and that these girls presented ID’s showing they were of age.
What else would you have a businessman do? Liken this question to the illegal immigration debate. Is an employer, any employer, supposed to do a DNA/ fingerprint backround check on every person to dispel possible fake ID’s before business of any kind can be done?
If these girls did, in fact, present fake ID’s, would you still hold this guy responsible for the girls choices?
There was a demand, and this guy met that demand and got rich.
Disagree from a moral standpoint - and I would never waste a penny on this crap - but you can't deny economics.
Francis’ firm, Mantra Films Inc., a Santa Monica, Calif., company, was sentenced to pay $1.6 million in criminal fines for failing to create and maintain age and identity records for films it produced.
Girls Gone Wild has admitted to hiring performers, and producing and distributing sexually explicit video materials during 2002 and part of 2003 while systematically violating the record keeping and labeling laws. The companies also admitted that in at least two instances in 2002 in Panama City they filmed minors in sexually explicit scenes that were included in two commercially released DVDs.
Girls Gone Wild Founder Jailed
http://www.northcountrygazette.org/articles/2007/040507FrancisJailed.html
It appears rather convenient that this same company is having record keeping difficulties from the same time period.
Seems this guy has a lot of run ins with the law. Regardless of the outcome of this case, I predict we’ll hear of him again in a criminal manner.
About Spring Break parties: I like what Denis Miller had to say about this factor. He took his son down to SB as a 17 year old. Showed him what goes on there. From modest partying to actions that pose great dangers.
His message was one of parenting thru information and education sharing about the benefits and pitfalls of Spring Break partying. I agree with Denis that this is the best way to teach the children becusee the day will come when the kids have to make their own choices. Best to have them informed imho.
Bill Gates has had those kind of run ins too eh? Maybe i has to do with money being made and people wanting a piece of it?
“Obviously, you FReepers have never heard of the free market.”
Where has anyone made a comment about his rights on this thread, other than being arrested in a civil case? The majority of the comments are about this guy being a scumbag.
It appears to me that the girls were having ‘record keeping’ problems of their own to. Punish one and not the other?
Yeh, many people are misunderstanding this case. Across the net, half the people who post on this don’t grasp this is a civil case. The judge sounds loony. I’ve never heard of such a situation. Did Francis sign an agreement waving the right to a trial or something? I just don’t get it otherwise. Doesn’t he have the right to not settle if he doesn’t want to? I thought you could decide not to settle up until the moment you sign the papers.
Soap On A Rope, pal.
That, I didn’t know.
Is a contract valid if one party is intoxicated? He deliberatly finds people who can’t engage in a contract, and gets them to sign a contract. That is not a business man.
oh the humanity!!
To have a contract, you have to have a “meeting of the minds.” In what other area are is a contract made with someone intoxicated valid?
You don't have to reach settlement at the mediation; but you do have to kill a day showing up and participating (most of which you'll spend in a room with your lawyer, reading a book, chatting, or otherwise killing time.).
He isn't being jailed for failing to agree, he's being jailed for failing to follow the court order to mediate.
I don’t disagree that responsibilities need to be met. I am Just sayini that such a requirement needs to be applied to both parties to this case and it doesn’t appear that is happening.
Please understand I support a straight up death penalty for messing with minors, especially in sexual exploitation cases. Had these girls not presented ID’s saying they were older than they were, I would be far more in agreement with you on this issue than I am currently.
Would you agree that the situation changes dramatically if it is shown that these girls presented fake ID’s? That in that event, the liability for this rests with them as a result of their own lies?
I just think it is not proper to hang a man out to dry when he was lied to about the age of a female. Seems like a free pass to lie for girls and a endless trap for every man everywhere.
I hope you understand I am not trying to defend underage pornography, I would do no such thing. I am Just sayin that the girls choices to lie(providing that is actually the case) cannot be blamed on a man. It just ain’t right.
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