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To: stuartcr

He should have a say, but he doesn’t. About 10 years ago, in the Chicago area, a man shot his pregnant girlfriend, killing the baby, and he was accused of murder. If she got an abortion, killing the baby, she wouldn’t have been accused of murder, except from conservative, pro-life people. The baby’s father killed the baby the only way that he could, and he was charged with a crime.


18 posted on 04/12/2007 9:34:02 AM PDT by PhilCollins
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To: PhilCollins

Reproductive rights does not exist as a legal concept for men, and men are regularly told that they have responsibilities and not rights. A man has no “reproductive rights” that a woman is bound to respect, whether in nor out of marriage, to keep the baby or not. The only right that men have is to keep their pants zipped up, as the course of their lives and their hope for posterity is entirely dependent on the woman’s “choice”.

I remember hearing a feminazi screeching about how vital “reproductive rights “ were for all human beings, insofar as their ability to determine the course of their lives is concerned. It got me to wondering how it is that no comparable “reproductive right” exists for men other than the right to keep your trousers zipped up. A man’s income can involuntarily be confiscated to care for children that he does not want, affecting the course of his life. Under the law, he is utterly responsible to support any children with his DNA, and often even for those without it. In many states, women are allowed to ABANDON newborn children that they do not want at hospitals or firehouses, no questions asked. Men don’t even have any “reproductive rights” in marriage, because his wife retains her “reproductive rights” if she “chooses” to exercise them.

I don’t think either sex should have these “reproductive rights”, and should deal with the concequences of a pregnancy, wanted or not. But if as the feminazi says, these rights are vital to human beings, than I wish to suggest the following remedies. An unmarried man, upon being promptly notified of an unwanted pregnacy by his mate, should have the option of a paternal veto (abortion) absolving him of financial and legal responsibility for the child. A married man who discovers that his wife has had an abortion against his wishes should recieve presumptive grounds for a divorce or annullment of the marriage, with the same holding true for one who concieves against his wishes.

Than again maybe the feminazi thinks that men shouldn’t qualify for “reproductive rights” since she probably thinks men aren’t human anyway.

Here is another great example of the down the rabbit hole insanity that abortion “law” is. A few years ago in Chicago, a married manager of a fast food resturant was charged with the murder of his girlfriend and her unborn child. It seems that he knocked her up, and she came to extort him for hush money, part of which was to go for an abortion. He killed her because he didn’t want to pay the dough for it.

While the murder charges for the girlfriend are easy to understand, I was struck as to how there was almost no discussion of the fact that he got charged for achieving precisely the same objective for the child that the “mother” was seeking and that she would have been entirely free of legal consequence for by having the deed performed by a medical hitman.

Aside from the grave moral implications, abortion law is also the greatest insult to logic and linear reasoning that was ever perpetrated by man or Supreme Court justice!!!
My point is that men have no “reproductive right” that is INDEPENDENT of a woman’s choice, wheras women have options that can be and are exercised independently of a man’s wishes. Note that this feminine reproductive veto extends to nullification of the man’s wishes whether the man wants the child or not, whether in or out of marriage. While I am acutely aware that this is in large part due to the uniqueness of the reproductive process, this nevertheless leaves the man without any independent ability to influence the woman legally.

I am not even necessarily saying that this is a bad thing, but I do find it curious that we often behave as though the only party affected by the birth of a child is the woman, and to prevent a negative influence on the course of her life we must preserve her right to kill her unborn child. If unmarried, she can “choose” to keep the child and can enlist the support of the state to forcibly take money from the sperm donor against his will. And if he wants the child, then he must yield to her choice to abort.

The common response to the man is that you should have been more careful in your choice of partner, or you should have kept your trousers zipped up. Legally he is told that he has no option other than the one that the woman “chooses” to give him.

Having said all this, I do think it unlikely to happen. Men are legally held to the strictest of standard of responsibility where conception is concerned.


61 posted on 04/12/2007 5:09:54 PM PDT by DMZFrank
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