"Oh God, please keep Fred Thompson out of this race!"
Posted on 04/12/2007 9:28:27 AM PDT by dangus
REPUBLICAN DATA Giuliani 29%, Thompson 15%, McCain 12%, Romney 8%, Gingrich 8%. Others or none of the above, 28%.
Giuliani beats Clinton by 6, 48-42; McCain loses by 3, 42-45. Both lose to Obama (42-46 and 40-48, respectively).
61% of GOP wants to move beyond Bush's policies; only 30% wish to continue (immigration, war, etc?)
Sample size was small: only 437 probable Republican primary voters.
Article falsely claims, "When the survey reduced the field to three candidates, Giuliani's lead was more decisive: He drew 48% to McCain's 25% and Romney's 20%." In fact, this is only an artifice of having larger numbers; His ratio over Romney drops from 3.6:1 to 2.4:1, and he less than doubles Romney.
DEMOCRAT DATA Clinton 33, Obama 23, Edwards 13, Gore 13. Gore seems to pull evenly from the announced candidates. Among top three candidates, Clinton gets 50% of votes, Obama only 40
GENERIC DATA Generic democrats favored over generic republicans, 49-39. False characterization by LA Times: "Among GOP voters, 13% wanted the candidates to call for tougher immigration laws." Actually, 13% wanted that as TOP priority, finishing 2nd behind Iraq war (37%)
The LA Times story is here: http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-poll12apr12,0,6052505,full.story?coll=la-home-headlines
RCP also triggered auto-excerpting. Drats.
McCain should just withdraw now.
Meaningless.
Meaningless.
15% for Thompson? That’s huge...
NYT or LAT...it’s still news with a
liberal slant. I don’t waste my time
taking them seriously.
[Generic democrats favored over generic republicans, 49-39.}
The Times/Bloomberg poll matches with the findings with Rasmusseen and Gallup about generic partisan preference. The problems in Iraq are turning people into Dems.
Well, whatever, but then isn’t it MORE significant that they show the race’s real conservative doing better against Rudy McRomney?
This may well turn out to be the most boring Rep primary of my lifetime. Two more points and it is over.
Something is wrong here. They must have meant 'top two candidates'. First, which of the two (gore or edwards) would be the '3rd' candidate. Second, it makes no sense that dropping either Edwards or Gore would actually reduce the support for the other to below 10%.
On the republican side, they made a different mistake. Their 'top 3' weren't the top three, it was the first, third, and fourth. Thompson was number 2.
So when they drop the 2nd-place person, the 3rd and 4th-place people pick up more support than the 1st-place person. But that's not surprising. I believe that if they dropped every candidate except Rudy, he still wouldn't get more than 50%.
“Meaningless”
You’d like to think so.
LOL!
The problem is that it won’t be between Giuliani, McCain and Romney. McCain is about finished. When Fred Thompson enters the race, several others will fall by the wayside and it will be a two man race between Giuliani and Thompson. Buckle your seatbelt and hang on.
If Rudy G does win the nomination, John McCain would make a great SECDEF. And Fred T a good VP choice.
It wasn't false, but it was a foolish poll question -- it was forcing the respondent to choose between only Rudy McRomney, even though that will not be who is on the ballot. Not sure what point it serves.
All this is too damned early and it all about money.
Thompson is not interested in being VP.
Democratic White House hopeful John Edwards’ team has been collecting e-mail addresses from supporters who’ve sent his cancer-stricken wife, Elizabeth, notes - and using them for fund-raising requests....
It has meaning, it shows they want to get back to the myth that only Rudy Rhodham Guiliani can beat hillary clinton.
It is VERY interesting they threw in fred thompson as number two.
I think we need to interprit this as an intentional manipulation of the results and ask WHY are they wanting THIS result.
Wow...Fred. 2nd place without trying.
be suspicious.
It is painfully obvious a Guiliani is only threatened by a Fred Thompson run.
A primary battle would leave a Hillary annointment in a far stonger position. Remember the GOP has 1/2 the money of the DNC.
I am VERY suspicious of a good poll as much as a bad poll. MORE so given the small sample.
Polls are polls...not really that good unless it’s methods are refined. That and it’s a matter of timing. Although I think Fred could get the nomination and the presidency if he runs.
I would love to see a Rudy/Thompson ticket.
You just don’t get it. We need TWO strong candidates. I am sure Rudy hopes Fred runs. He needs a VEEP.
Interesting. The only "name-recognition" conservative...this was before the lymphoma issue erupted.
A primary battle would leave a Hillary annointment in a far stonger position. Remember the GOP has 1/2 the money of the DNC.
The reason for the RNC funding disadvantage is the President. He runs it. Since he would use it for his friends, and not ours, we don't and shouldn't give to it. We give to our candidates. Unfortunately, based on last years election, that may well not be enough to counter the impact of their comparative freedom to exploit targets of opportunity will have with the big stash.
We lost guys we shouldn't have due to DNC targetting. Curt Weldon. JD Hayworth, etc.
Fred said he has NO interest in the VP slot, and Giuliani would gain very little. I will not vote for any ticket with Giuliani, and I know I am in good company.
Your entitled to vote for whomever who want.
Let me rephrase it for you: "Rudy hopes Fred runs. He wants to be VEEP." Problem is, Rudy is FAR FAR to the LEFT of Fred, and is on another planet.
Well he better be if he doesn’t win the nomination for Prez. He could be the lock Rudy G or Mitt need to get the South and SW tied into the Gop column. If Rudy or Mitt win the nomination, they will need a Southerner who can maintain some legitimate concern for the South and Border states plus some of the SW in order to win the 272 electoral votes needed.If Fred has fire in his belly to run for Prez and loses, he should retain that fire to help his party win all the marbles.
Dang right. Which is exactly his strong point. None of this go along to get along. More like Fred’s way or the highway…
Wanna sure thing? Ya wanna see hitlery just foam at the mouth?
“If Rudy G does win the nomination, John McCain would make a great SECDEF. And Fred T a good VP choice.”
Rudy makes a lousy anything
McCain is too unhinged to be SecDef
I am undecided on Fred
Overall disappointed at the crop.
To the contrary, a Northeastern, Californian, or Great Lakes white Catholic with a strong pro-life record (think Tommy Thompson or Rick Santorum) might be a better running mate for Giuliani than a Southern conservative. In order to win, he must scrap the Karl Rove playbook. Catholics represent about one-fourth of the U.S. population, more so in Giuliani's native Northeast (Delaware excepted). He is going to need to convince socially conservative but economically liberal Catholics, including union members, to vote for a Republican candidate. Giuliani's attachment to Catholic moral teachings in his personal life is questionable, to put it mildly. Having someone like Thompson or Santorum on the ticket will be of assistance and help him carry his region, except Massachisetts and Vermont, and perhaps Wisconsin, Michigan, and Ohio as well.
You mean the Hunter that doesn’t even register in the polls and is going nowhere. He seems like a great guy but he’s not ready for primetime. I do think he would make a great Sec. of Defense though.
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