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The Right Man for Our Times: Steve Forbes Editorial on Rudolph W. Guiliani for President
Forbes Magazine ^ | 4/23/07

Posted on 04/13/2007 9:34:19 AM PDT by meg88

Rudy Giuliani would make a superb president. He combines Reaganesque vision with extraordinary attention to detail.

He is strong on national security and also has the principles and policies to strengthen the economy. He is a tax cutter and a foe of the federal income tax's complexity.

Rudy Giuliani is not afraid of trying to do Big Things. He successfully tackled the welfare mess in New York City, even before the welfare reform act of 1996. By the time he was through, welfare rolls had been cut nearly 60%.

In short, he is not afraid to pursue major structural changes, even in the face of the conventional wisdom and an entrenched status quo political establishment.

When he took office the city faced a horrendous deficit. He was strongly advised to raise taxes. The new mayor made the point that he was not a tax booster by sending those proposals to the dumpster. Instead, he cut taxes and spending.

Giuliani kept the average growth of government spending at nearly half the growth of the city economy. That restraint was in stark contrast to the growth in federal spending ...

Giuliani cut or eliminated 23 taxes. The overall tax burden for a New York City resident went down a remarkable 17%.

Giuliani was also successful in battling a bloated bureaucracy. While he deliberately increased the numbers of police and teachers, he whacked away at the employment rolls everywhere else.

During Giuliani's tenure the Big Apple's economy blossomed: 423,000 new jobs were created. More people were moving into the city than leaving it. That he achieved so much going against a generations-old spend-tax-welfare political ethos is astonishing.

And, of course, his response to 9/11 is legendary--and rightly so.


TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: forbes; giuliani; rudy; steveforbes; yourdailyemesis
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1 posted on 04/13/2007 9:34:22 AM PDT by meg88
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To: meg88
And, of course, his response to 9/11 is legendary--and rightly so.

Like most legends, this one is a myth.

2 posted on 04/13/2007 9:36:14 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Laws that infringe on unalienable rights are not laws at all...they are in fact lawless edicts.)
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To: meg88

I called Forbes a phony conservative in 2000.

Events continue to verify that.


3 posted on 04/13/2007 9:37:32 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Laws that infringe on unalienable rights are not laws at all...they are in fact lawless edicts.)
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To: meg88

If I didn’t already oppose Rudi, this substanceless blather would do the trick.


4 posted on 04/13/2007 9:37:55 AM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: meg88
RudE is a pro gay rights, abortion supporting, gun grabber... no thanks

social conservative concerns about Steve Forbes are proving to be justified.

5 posted on 04/13/2007 9:38:32 AM PDT by APRPEH (Hillary probably wouldn't approve, but I can live with that....)
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To: meg88
And, of course, his response to 9/11 is legendary--and rightly so.

You'd think Rudy, with his one lone shovel, did all the work.

He also made millions speaking about 9/11. Does that seem a bit unseemly to anyone?

6 posted on 04/13/2007 9:38:48 AM PDT by isthisnickcool (Hey mister, can you spare a carbon credit?)
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To: meg88
Anyone who has no respect for the Second Amendment is not the right man. I will never even consider Giuliani for president on that point alone. Molon Labe.
7 posted on 04/13/2007 9:39:15 AM PDT by AlaskaErik (Run, Fred, run!)
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To: meg88
Rudy Giuliani is not afraid of trying to do Big Things.

Just what America needs...a Leftist who likes to do Big Things.

"Most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine." - Rudy Giuliani

8 posted on 04/13/2007 9:39:40 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Laws that infringe on unalienable rights are not laws at all...they are in fact lawless edicts.)
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To: George W. Bush

It does have a certain emetic quality, doesn’t it?

Come to think of it, the entire thread has a musky, Victor-Mature-like scent.


9 posted on 04/13/2007 9:39:43 AM PDT by Petronski (FRED!)
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To: meg88

How old is Steve these days? Bless his heart.


10 posted on 04/13/2007 9:41:57 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("His mother said to the servants, 'Do whatever He tells you.' ")
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To: meg88

Forbes and Giuliani........how can one be that rich or that tenacious and not know they are leaking at the brain ?


11 posted on 04/13/2007 9:42:22 AM PDT by advertising guy (If computer skills named us, I'd be back-space delete.)
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To: EternalVigilance
DEM'S NIGHTMARE

RUDY Giuliani has gone from being America's mayor to our top political paradox. How could a pro-choice, pro-gay rights, pro-gun control, twice-divorced centrist lead the early polling in the 2008 Republican presidential primaries?

Conventional wisdom says that social conservatives who dominate the GOP primary process just don't know Rudy's record. Once they see that the emperor has no clothes - or, rather, likes to wear women's clothes - his numbers will slip and his prospects will sink.

But don't be so quick to write off Rudy. Deconstruct that conventional wisdom, and you find that it rests on shaky premises, knee-jerk biases - and, perhaps most importantly, a fundamental misunderstanding of the post-9/11 political climate.

Of course, Giuliani's had a rough week or two; even if he's still the front-runner, he's hardly a sure thing for the nomination. He raised an impressive $10 million in March alone, but keep in mind that his high standing in the polls has a lot to do with the relative weakness of the current field, which could change.

That said, I suspect the "Rudy can't win" mantra is being driven as much by Democratic fear and loathing - of both conservatives and Giuliani himself - as by Republican politics and performance.

As Deborah Hart Stroberand Gerald Strober's "Flawed or Flawless" amply documents through dozens of interviews with friends and foes alike, liberals widely despise Giuliani. Not just because they see him as a racially insensitive, rights-suppressing bully, but because he succeeded in this big blue city largely because of his hard-charging style, not despite it.

To these liberals, Giuliani winning the GOP nomination is doubly scary: He threatens their worldview - and, worse, as a socially tolerant 9/11 hero, he's probably the biggest threat to beat the Democratic nominee. So when they say he can't win, part of what they're really saying is they don't want him to win.

More important, though, is how the left sees the right. The way many of my Democratic friends view evangelicals, and conservatives more broadly, is best summed up by the infamous Washington Post mischaracterization - "poor, uneducated and easy to command." So in their eyes, what's wrong with Kansas will prove to be what's wrong with Rudy's campaign.

That glib analysis is flawed, though. It treats movement conservatives as an unthinking monolith and wrongly presumes they would never tolerate or nominate a moderate.

Democrats also ignore the conservative appeal of Giuliani's strong moral streak, which he memorably demonstrated in his 1999 confrontation over the Brooklyn Museum's controversial "Sensation" exhibit. That's probably not enough to compensate for his apostasies on abortion and gay rights, but at a minimum it'll help him connect with some less-doctrinaire primary voters and likely mollify others' concerns about his cultural profile.

But liberals' big error here is to dramatically discount the long-term political impact of 9/11. They just don't see how the terrorist attacks of that day, and the ongoing threat of jihadism, have transformed millions of Americans (especially on the right) into security-first voters. This is the pre-eminent, transcendent issue for this generation of conservatives, and Rudy's credentials are saint-like.

Remember, conservatives willingly overlooked Ronald Reagan's divorce at a time when divorce was a much bigger political taboo than it is today. To righties of that generation, fighting Communism was the preeminent, transcendent cause, and Reagan was peerless when it came to waging and winning the Cold War. (It didn't hurt that he was a tax-cutting zealot, too.)

One of Giuliani's considerable advantages, much like Reagan, is the president he would replace. Many voters saw Reagan's strength and clarity as welcome antidotes to Jimmy Carter's weakness and malaise. To today's Republicans, Giuliani offers the same tough-on-terror leadership that has bonded conservatives to President Bush. But he also comes with an impressive record as a governmental CEO - a stark contrast to Bush's bungling on Iraq and Katrina.

Thus, by nominating Giuliani, Republicans would neutralize the competence issue and take divisive social issues off the table - while focusing the debate on their strength, security. It is plausible that a critical mass of Republicans could make such a pragmatic choice and put winning over purity - just as Democrats thought they were doing by picking war hero John Kerry over the unelectable Howard Dean in 2004.

Whether Giuliani's 9/11 halo is powerful enough to overshadow his cultural deviations and personal shortcomings with enough primary voters to buy him a fair hearing on other issues, like tax cuts and judges and immigration, remains to be seen. But so far, Rudy seems to be on the right track.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/04082007/postopinion/postopbooks/dems_nightmare_postopbooks_gerstein.htm?page=2

12 posted on 04/13/2007 9:42:27 AM PDT by meg88
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To: EternalVigilance

Steve Forbes really does worship at the altar of the market. Rudy is a pro-abort and pro-homosexual. When the moral and eternal push comes to shove, Forbes defaults to his pocket book. Sad. He tried to tell us otherwise in 2000, but this demonstrates. The Golden Calf of tax cuts and “growth” (not to mention the free-trade God) trumps life itself — namley the lives of unborn children.


13 posted on 04/13/2007 9:43:50 AM PDT by Scholastic
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To: meg88

All I can say is, Nicole’s baby finally has a father!
I can watch the Fox channel again. Or not.

” . . . he is not afraid to pursue major structural changes . . .”
(to the Constitution?)


14 posted on 04/13/2007 9:43:51 AM PDT by tumblindice (Beware the Giuabberwock!)
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To: EternalVigilance

“Like most legends, this one is a myth.”
Sorry you don’t like him, but don’t lie about him.


15 posted on 04/13/2007 9:44:12 AM PDT by Buck W. (If you push something hard enough, it will fall over.)
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To: meg88
NYC is figuring big in this election.

If it ends up being a battle between Herr Hitlery and Rudy, I'll vote for Rudy with extreme enthusiasm.

16 posted on 04/13/2007 9:46:19 AM PDT by what's up
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To: Buck W.
Sorry you don’t like him, but don’t lie about him.

Sorry, the heroes of 9-11 went UP the stairs when everyone else was going down.

Giuliani is nothing but a crude political opportunist, and a hard Left one at that.

17 posted on 04/13/2007 9:47:00 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Laws that infringe on unalienable rights are not laws at all...they are in fact lawless edicts.)
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To: Scholastic

Agreed.

“The love of money is the root of all sorts of evil.”


18 posted on 04/13/2007 9:47:42 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Laws that infringe on unalienable rights are not laws at all...they are in fact lawless edicts.)
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To: meg88
Giuliani's 9/11 halo

Sorry, but I laughed so hard upon reading that that I couldn't get through the last sentence...

19 posted on 04/13/2007 9:49:09 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Laws that infringe on unalienable rights are not laws at all...they are in fact lawless edicts.)
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To: meg88

Some people should really try and get out of NYC more.


20 posted on 04/13/2007 9:50:39 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Laws that infringe on unalienable rights are not laws at all...they are in fact lawless edicts.)
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To: Tax-chick

Now THAT was a funny post!


21 posted on 04/13/2007 9:51:28 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Laws that infringe on unalienable rights are not laws at all...they are in fact lawless edicts.)
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To: meg88

Hey, this is a new one though. Rather than reaching into the past, now we are reaching into the future (4/23/2007) for our Rudy posts.....

:-)


22 posted on 04/13/2007 9:55:27 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: meg88
Giuliani cut or eliminated 23 taxes. The overall tax burden for a New York City resident went down a remarkable 17%

New York must have really sucked before Rudy, because New Yorker's were still way overtaxed when he was done "cutting" taxes, and I don't think MY city even HAS 23 taxes, much less 23 that could be cut or eliminated.

The fact that Bloomberg was able to make such a great improvement in New york during the time right after Rudy was gone shows that, while Rudy took them a long way, they had a long way to go. Bloomberg's had a harder time of it, but still making great headway.

It's not hard to lose the first 50 pounds if you weigh 300 pounds to start with.

23 posted on 04/13/2007 9:57:43 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: meg88

Is Forbes a baby-killer, too?

Probably just another money conservative with no moral framework beyond that.


24 posted on 04/13/2007 9:57:59 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain And Proud of It! Those who support the troops will pray for them to WIN!)
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To: Buck W.; EternalVigilance
“Like most legends, this one is a myth.”
Sorry you don’t like him, but don’t lie about him.

No myth - Rudy's 9/11 performance is not as spotless as some would like to believe.

Rescue efforts were hampered, for example, by Rudy's inexplicable decision to place the emergency command center right smack dab in the middle of a known terrorist target.

25 posted on 04/13/2007 10:03:24 AM PDT by highball ("I never should have switched from scotch to martinis." -- the last words of Humphrey Bogart)
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To: Buck W.; EternalVigilance
Sorry, that should be "No lie - Rudy's 9/11 performance is not as spotless as some would like to believe."

Terrible proofreading this afternoon.
26 posted on 04/13/2007 10:04:31 AM PDT by highball ("I never should have switched from scotch to martinis." -- the last words of Humphrey Bogart)
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To: Tax-chick
*snort*





You made me snort!

27 posted on 04/13/2007 10:05:31 AM PDT by Petronski (FRED!)
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To: highball

I would go one step further. After 3 attacks what specifically has Rudy done to fight terrorism other than be a victim of it?


28 posted on 04/13/2007 10:08:25 AM PDT by beltfed308 (Rudy: When you absolutely,positively need a liberal for President.)
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To: meg88; Spiff; pissant; Liz; areafiftyone; wagglebee; dirtboy
He is strong on national security

So you say. Pro-Gun Control and Pro-Illegal Immigration =/= "strong on national security.

Giuliani kept the average growth of government spending at nearly half the growth of the city economy. That restraint was in stark contrast to the growth in federal spending ...

Maybe at first.

And, of course, his response to 9/11 is legendary--and rightly so.

"Legendary?"

Perhaps Forbes should remove the rose-colored glasses. What exactly was it that Rudy did after 9/11 that was more heroic than that of the firemen who went up into the Twin Towers? Or of the members of Flight 93, who truly ARE legendary?

29 posted on 04/13/2007 10:12:41 AM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007 (Why vote for Duncan Hunter in 2008? Look at my profile.)
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To: meg88

gee, that’s it. If Forbes thinks he’s good then by all means..... I think Rudy would be a .......great drag queen or democrat candidate.


30 posted on 04/13/2007 10:12:55 AM PDT by Dick Vomer (liberals suck....... but it depends on what your definition of the word "suck" is.,)
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To: meg88
Forbes to Commisioner Kerik Gordon: "Light up the Rudy Signal!"


31 posted on 04/13/2007 10:15:07 AM PDT by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08/But Fred would also be great)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007
And, of course, his response to 9/11 is legendary--and rightly so.

Well, I'm still waiting to find out what specifically he did other than get in the way. I wonder though, is Bernard Kerik part of this "legend"?

32 posted on 04/13/2007 10:18:19 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: EternalVigilance

” Some people should really try and get out of NYC more.”


No, Hell no, keep them where they are, we have enough of their mess down here already.


33 posted on 04/13/2007 10:22:20 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (THE SECOND AMENDMENT, A MATTER OF FACT, NOT A MATTER OF OPINION)
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To: wagglebee
And, of course, his response to 9/11 is legendary mythical--and rightly so.

I fixed that that which was said to be more correct.

heh heh. I bet you might agree with that! lol

34 posted on 04/13/2007 10:27:42 AM PDT by dforest (Fighting the new liberal Conservatism. The Left foot in the GOP door.)
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To: beltfed308
After 3 attacks what specifically has Rudy done to fight terrorism other than be a victim of it?

Well, he stubbornly refused to move the NY emergency management center away from the WTC, despite strong concerns from emergency professionals about having it in the middle of a known terrorist target.

He pushed for federal gun control laws after the 1997 Empire State shootings, while refusing to call such a terrorist attack.

And he pushed a corrupt crony for the most important anti-terror job in the country - and now claims he doesn't recall a briefing in 2000 where he was told the same person might have mob ties - as a nominee for Police Commish.

Yeah, Rudy's the guy to fight the WOT. /sarcasm

35 posted on 04/13/2007 10:33:39 AM PDT by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08/But Fred would also be great)
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To: meg88

Nice try, Steve!


36 posted on 04/13/2007 10:36:56 AM PDT by Mickeys Big Hand
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To: meg88

Then let him run for governor of NY.


37 posted on 04/13/2007 10:41:02 AM PDT by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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To: dirtboy

lol, Is that the official Rudy FR 08 grahpic!


38 posted on 04/13/2007 10:55:51 AM PDT by meg88
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To: meg88

One phony endorsing another.


39 posted on 04/13/2007 11:03:54 AM PDT by SmoothTalker
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To: CharlesWayneCT

In the real world, it’s far more likely that 300 pounders will gain 50 than lose it. The socialist paradise that Rudy inherited is much better off for his efforts. That others are building on them seems to provide further validation.

You can criticize Rudy for his social liberalism and thus, demonstrate intellectual honesty. However, to undermine his accomplishments as Mayor is disingenuous.


40 posted on 04/13/2007 11:33:46 AM PDT by neocon1984 (end the idiocy of post-modernism)
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To: EternalVigilance

Thank you. I was a Forbes supporter, 10 years ago (or so) when he actually turned up on a ballot somewhere. He seems different now.


41 posted on 04/13/2007 12:06:47 PM PDT by Tax-chick ("His mother said to the servants, 'Do whatever He tells you.' ")
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To: Petronski

Sorry about that. I hope you had a handkerchief handy!


42 posted on 04/13/2007 12:08:18 PM PDT by Tax-chick ("His mother said to the servants, 'Do whatever He tells you.' ")
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To: Tax-chick

Unfortunately, he just reverted back to where he was in 1996...before he decided he needed the votes of prolife conservatives.


43 posted on 04/13/2007 12:22:37 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Laws that infringe on unalienable rights are not laws at all...they are in fact lawless edicts.)
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To: EternalVigilance

Ah, I see. 1996 is about the first time I paid any attention to him, aside from his business discussion, which was very sensible.


44 posted on 04/13/2007 1:34:26 PM PDT by Tax-chick ("His mother said to the servants, 'Do whatever He tells you.' ")
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To: meg88
And, of course, his response to 9/11 is legendary....
"Legendary" is right, because he actually didn't do shi squat. And certainly nothing extraordinary. Any statement to the contrary about super human mayoral deeds are a freaking "legend".

The Rooty Rooters love comparing Rooty to Nagin - excuse me while I laugh. If you have to sink that low to make Rooty look good, well ... its just pathetic.

45 posted on 04/13/2007 2:47:47 PM PDT by Condor51 (Rudy makes John Kerry look like a Right Wing 'Gun Nut' Extremist)
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To: Petronski
Come to think of it, the entire thread has a musky, Victor-Mature-like scent.

LOL.
46 posted on 04/13/2007 3:04:23 PM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: meg88

This easily and already disproved puff piece can only hurt.

Is forbes trying to get a job at CNN?


47 posted on 04/13/2007 3:16:31 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: meg88; Admin Moderator
Aren't you supposed to post that it is an excerpt when you modify the original? It looks like more than half the content was omitted from various paragraphs/sentences.

The parts of the editorial you deleted are probably also worthy of reading:

He is a fervent free trader, much needed, as global protectionist pressures are rising.

48 posted on 04/13/2007 4:51:01 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: Tax-chick

LMBO!


49 posted on 04/13/2007 5:33:02 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! Or Rudy/Hillary if you want to murder conservatism)
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To: EternalVigilance

I am out here in God’s country. And I am not the only one in the heartland that supports Rudy !

He is going to make a great President. You will regret what you have said about him someday.


50 posted on 04/13/2007 11:48:03 PM PDT by se_ohio_young_conservative (A Goldwater-Reagan conservative that strongly supports Rudy in 08 !)
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