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To: Coyote

Care to tackle any of the following from AIG?

“Here are some other interesting differences between the human and chimp genomes which are often not reported:

The chimp genome is 12% larger than the human genome.

Only 2.4 billion bases have been aligned between the two genomes, leaving a maximum similarity of 68–77%.

In many areas of the genome, it appears major rearrangements of DNA sequences have occurred, accounting for another 10–20% dissimilarity.

Chimps have 46 chromosomes and humans have 44 chromosomes (excluding sex chromosomes for both species).

To save money and time, the chimp genome was assembled using the human genome as a template (because of the presupposition that humans evolved from the same line as chimps); it is currently unknown if the pieces of the chimp genome “puzzle” were put together properly.”

Or perhaps the following tackling the FALSE assumption of evolution advocates that ‘vestigial organs’ are useless left-over organs resulting from evolving structures and no longer needed:

“Seems to regulate the function of other important glands—including the pituitary, the gonads, the adrenals and the thyroid.

Plays a central role in the circadian (night and day) rhythm. The synthesis of various compounds in the gland is markedly affected by exposure to or deprivation of light. The pineal undergoes a transformation immediately after birth which seems to be affected by depriving the organism of light.

Has a relationship (not understood) with some malignant tumors.

Affects the contractility of several types of involuntary muscle.

Far from being a useless hangover of antiquity, we see the pineal as an extremely active organ.”

Or is it juts easier to wave the magic dismissal wand and declare that there is no sound science presented on AIG, and that the study of the sound science is illigitimate because folks at AIG have opinions about the scientific facts that don’t jive with your own assumptions you’ve formed without any proofs to back those assumptions up?


130 posted on 04/17/2007 11:20:36 PM PDT by CottShop
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To: CottShop
Genomics is not my field.

Try quotemining from AIG's radiocarbon pages and I will be happy to address them for you.

139 posted on 04/18/2007 9:03:05 AM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: CottShop
Care to tackle any of the following from AIG?

My response to most of these is "So what?" It's more nitpicking. AiG is like a jackdaw leaping with alacrity on any shiny object that catches its eye. No real attempt is made to fit any elements together reasonably. I get the impression they are just disagreeing here for the sake of disagreeing, like (one can never have too many similes) a sullen toddler.

Regarding what scientists' think, we aren't fixated on the numbers because they don't tell the whole story--not even close. Scientists are interested in what genes are the same but more importantly in what genes are different. Scientists are interested in the types of chromosome remodelling (which should be illegal according to most young earth creationists) that have occurred and what effects these might have. We are interested in which transposable elements were favored in which species, and when these stopped propagating. AiG is just interested in the sparkly numbers.

The chimp genome is 12% larger than the human genome.

So what?

Only 2.4 billion bases have been aligned between the two genomes, leaving a maximum similarity of 68–77%.

No source, sadly, but that's par for the course. Both the human genome and the chimpanzee genome have been sequenced, and the similarity is in the mid to upper 90%'s, depending on what you are looking at.

In many areas of the genome, it appears major rearrangements of DNA sequences have occurred, accounting for another 10–20% dissimilarity.

I'm amused they acknowledged that rearrangements occurred. Besides my amusement, my reaction is "So what?" and a note of the arbitrary percentages (gee, it would be nice if they explained how they are calculating this--looks like they want everything lined up exactly in the same order in order to acknowledge it's identical).

To save money and time, the chimp genome was assembled using the human genome as a template (because of the presupposition that humans evolved from the same line as chimps); it is currently unknown if the pieces of the chimp genome “puzzle” were put together properly.”

Baloney. In one method this was used as an aid, but stringent guidelines were followed to make sure errors did not occur. Later attempts did not use this.

Or perhaps the following tackling the FALSE assumption of evolution advocates that ‘vestigial organs’ are useless left-over organs resulting from evolving structures and no longer needed:

Oh, if only that were the evolutionists' position! But slay that straw man!

142 posted on 04/18/2007 11:37:09 AM PDT by ahayes ("Impenetrability! That's what I say!")
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