Posted on 04/15/2007 4:27:07 PM PDT by Josh Painter
That video is huge. I’ve emailed it to like 50 people so far.
ah, after watching that video, I find out that Morris is on the Rudy train, no wonder he thinks Rudy is tough on terror.
Wouldn’t that be awesome if that video changed Dicks mind about Thompson? I doubt that would happen, but I can dream lol.
Nah, Dick is wrong so much that you actually WANT him to be against your guy.
I actually posted to one of the rudy guys earlier that they should be careful now that Dick has bet on their guy. Funny, I didn’t get an answer to that...lol
“My bet is that Rudy will still prevail because terrorism trumps abortion as an issue for the GOP right, but it could get close.”
For me the Second amendment trumps all issues and is a very important part in the war on terror. When push comes to shove all we have to count on is ourselves and we had better be well armed. Not that I am a dooms day prognosticator but I do think we need to prepare for that percent of a percent chance.
Plus I just can’t trust a government that can’t see fit to trust it’s citizens.
Okay...NOW I'm worried! I actually agree with something Dick Morris said!
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“But that doesn’t take into account the results of another poll, one conducted by Newsweek, showing that most Republicans are unaware of how radically liberal Rudy’s position are”
This is a myth. Gallup tested for this. Most Republicans are by now well aware of his positions and choose him anyway. In SC, for instance, his liberal social positions have been well publicized in all the local papers—and he is still in the lead there to everyone’s surprise. Ditto in Iowa and NH.
In fact, the opposite may be true—the more people find out about his remarkable record first as a US Attorney under Reagan and then as a mayor, the more likely they are to vote for him. His amazing career before 9/11 is not all that well known. Most people don’t know, for instance that he broke the back of the Mafia and sent the heads of the five families to prison for long terms; or that he cleaned up Wall Street, sending insider traders and junk bond dealers to prison; or that he destroyed the corrupt party machine in NYC, arresting top party bosses—all this before he became mayor and turned the most crime-ridden city in America to one of the safest—the murder rate alone dropping 67% during his tenure.
As for his peaking too soon, this is another bit of wishful thinking on the part of his opponents. But in fact he’s picking up strength after falling from 42% to 31% in the Gallup polls in previous months. This month he rose to 38%—with McCain dropping like a stone and Thompson only in the low teens.
“The poll you site includes RINO’s (like you).The polls that matter to conservatives like us are the ones here on FR where Rooty gets only ten percent of the vote.”
You’re kidding, right? Who cares about internet polls since they measure only Rudy’s popularity among a small group of like-minded Republicans? Are you so unrealistic you think only conservatives who oppose Rudy are going to go to the polls in the primaries? Ever hear of putting your head in the sand? Besides, I’m not a RINO. I’m pro-life, pro-second amendment, pro-military, pro-fiscal conservatism, etc. But I still like Rudy—because I believe he’s a winner who can win enough blue and purple states to return Congress to the GOP. I don’t think any other candidate can do this and would lose in ‘08. Not only this—but there are a lot of other conservatives like me who think as I do.
“Rudy only polls as well as he does because there isn’t/wasn’t a ‘real’ Republican/Conservative in the race.
Soon, you’ll understand that.”
Thompson will fade. He has no fire in the belly, no money, no organization. What’s more, he doesn’t seem to be in too much of a hurry to remedy this.
“My bet is that Rudy will still prevail because terrorism trumps abortion as an issue for the GOP right, but it could get close.”
Morris belabors the obvious here. Of course it will get tighter as more of the lesser candidates run out of money and drop out. But Gallup tested for this—and a lot of their votes would revert to Rudy. He’ll do just fine.
Newt’s angling for a cabinet spot. He knows there’s no way he can win a general election. The Clintons and MSM did all too well in villainizing him in the ‘90s, plus his own baggage...
I love the Rudybots. You’re so full of yourselves.
‘Thompson will do this!’
‘Thompson will do that!’
‘Rudy is unstoppable!’
Was this latest poll taken before or after Rudy made his comments on publicly funded abortion? Because I think that alone is enough to sink him with GOP primary voters.
Not in the least. The important part of what I was saying is—we don’t care what the polls say. We are conservatives, we will vote our conscience and not compromise, like you are willing to do.
” I’m not a RINO. I’m pro-life, pro-second amendment, pro-military, pro-fiscal conservatism, etc. But I still like Rudy—”
Sorry, if you are gonna support Rudy, you’re a RINO, in my book at least. It makes no sense to compromise your principles to become a one issue voter. Rudy is not invincible as you and the rest of the Rooty Tooters claim him to be. If Fred Thompson gets in I hope you will consider supporting him.
As my tagline says, conservatives do NOT vote for liberals.
It’s too late for you. Fred has already taken over.
http://www.fredrepublic.com/focus/f-news/browse
All your posts are belong to Fred.
“It makes no sense to compromise your principles to become a one issue voter.”
If you don’t win elections, you give the victory to your enemies. How does this support your principles? On the other hand, Rudy is ahead in many blue and purple states. Together with the mountain states and the South, he’d win in a landslide. That would translate into a GOP Congress, with Boehner and McConnell at the helm instead of Pelosi or Reid. For those of you too dense to realize it, a winner at the head of the ticket, whether he leans to the left or the right, would mean a BIG WIN for conservative values in the long run. Only the politically naive don’t understand this or resent it. Politics is a game of the possible. No matter how much you may prefer a Hunter or a Thompson, the name of the game is victory at the polls—or else you lose everything, the legislature, Supreme Court nominees, the Dept. of Justice, the war on terror—you name it. The stakes are too high to risk supporting losers.
“As my tagline says, conservatives do NOT vote for liberals.”
Clearly they do. Here is an extract from an article that appeared in today’s Washington Times which makes this point:
“Mr. Giuliani maintains a big lead over his Republican rivals in the polls yet has all the wrong policy positions on social issues such as abortion and homosexual rights considered key to cultivating Christian conservatives. However, some evangelicals and pro-life Catholics seem willing to overlook his faults — including his two divorces — in the belief that he is the only Republican actually running who can defeat the Democratic nominee in 2008.” (”Republican ‘08 Options Dissappoint Evangelicals,” by By Ralph Z. Hallow,THE WASHINGTON TIMES, April 16, 2007)
So you are wrong to suppose social conservatives will not vote for Rudy. Many will—as recent polls are showing.
When you don’t have principles, when you don’t think conservative values are worth fighting for, then I would agree with you, it’s all about winning. Sorry, you don’t win when you support a liberal, regardless if he has a R next to his name, or a D next to it.
BTW, Rudy is no sure thing when it comes to Supreme Court nominees. That has been proven here on this forum again and again from Rudy’s own comments. He speaks out of both sides of his mouth—which side are we to believe? I believe what his record shows--and that says everything I need to know.
“When you don’t have principles, when you don’t think conservative values are worth fighting for, then I would agree with you, it’s all about winning. Sorry, you don’t win when you support a liberal, regardless if he has a R next to his name, or a D next to it.”
Your premises are wrong. You assume I don’t have principles because I support Rudy. But I do have principles and I back him because those principles are best supported by a big win over Democrats. You also assume that it’s not all about winning. Of course it is! You can have the finest principles in the world, but if you back a candidate who can’t win blue or purple states, your principles will suffer huge setbacks. You refuse to admit this—but your refusal is blind unwillingness to face facts.
Listen, the Democratic Party is the abortion party, the gun-control party, the gay rights party, the anti-military party, the defeatist party. It must be defeated at all cost. The only way to do this is to start thinking outside the box. The Dems have already registered 15% more voters for ‘08; they have more money; they have the monolithic black vote and most of the hispanic vote; they have quite a few red states that are fast turning purple—places like OH and CO and VA which are trending leftward; they have the media in their hip pocket; they have Bush fatigue putting wind in their sails. What do we have?
Answer: Rudy. Right now he leads in matchup polls in places like FL, PA, NJ, RI, CT, MI, OR, and would probably take CA—or at a minimum force the Dems to spend big bucks to defend their turf. You can’t ignore any of this. Nor can you just dismiss his promise to nominate strict constructionists if elected—one reason why conservative legal scholars like Ted Olson are backing him. So think about it. Who would do more for your principles in the long run—a liberal winner who would have the clout to return the Congress to the GOP, or a conservative loser who would not attract a single blue or purple state and would therefore lose the election?
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