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American tragedy [a modest proposal: rent Michael Moore's "Bowling for Columbine]
Capital Times ^ | 4-17-07

Posted on 04/17/2007 6:08:23 PM PDT by SJackson

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To: SJackson
There is a simple answer to question No. 1: America is a violent country.

The shooter wasn't from America.

21 posted on 04/17/2007 6:48:42 PM PDT by pcottraux (Fred Thompson pronounces it "P. Coe-troe"...in 2008.)
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To: ronnie raygun
I am not aware of the ACLU fighting for the rights of Americans under the 2nd Amendment in history. I could be wrong, but, the ACLU wants to eliminate the 2nd Amendment.
22 posted on 04/17/2007 6:48:47 PM PDT by paratrooper82 (82 Airborne 1/508th BN "fury from the sky")
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To: SJackson
What are you going to do, ban gun ownership for people on antidepressants?

There is already a drug question on the Form 4473. Question 11e:

Are you an unlawful user of, or addicted to, marijuana, or any depressant, stimulant, or narcotic drug, or any other controlled substance?

A person taking Prozac, Paxil or similar SSRI is by definition addicted to a controlled substance. Once you start taking an SSRI, it is very difficult to stop. Careful medical supervision is required to prevent triggering a psychotic episode from sudden withdrawal.

It wouldn't take much for a lawyer to argue that a person taking an SSRI who answered NO to this question was committing an act of perjury. Especially if that person subsequently committed a criminal act with the firearm acquired via the Form 4473. There are plenty of other mass shooting cases where the shooters were on an SSRI. Lots of fodder for litigation and legislation.

23 posted on 04/17/2007 6:49:07 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: Myrddin
Always lots of fodder for litigation, but unlawful has a meaning.

Someone taking antidepressants under the supervision of a physician isn't acting unlawfully.

Addicted to, don't know if that's been tried. If the Brady center is reading this, they'll go for that one.

Perhaps a waiting period for people on antidepressants.

Personally, I don't believe there's a connection between legal use of controlled substances and murder, I doubt you could provide statistics to prove there is.

Presuming you could, who would you bar from gunownership?

Anyone on antidepressants?

A national database could easily be constructed, would that make us safer?

The big question, what about alcohol?

And how do we implement all this short of a Constitutional Amenendent.

24 posted on 04/17/2007 6:57:03 PM PDT by SJackson (restoring the Jews to their homeland is a noble dream shared by many Americans, A. Lincoln)
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To: weegee
If somone has been diagnosed as having violent mental disorders, they should be LOCKED UP as criminally insane.

That makes sense, though if they haven't commited a crime yet, let's just call them a danger to themselves or others.

25 posted on 04/17/2007 6:59:02 PM PDT by SJackson (restoring the Jews to their homeland is a noble dream shared by many Americans, A. Lincoln)
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To: Wolfstar
what say we just ban men. That may not eliminate all violence, but it will eliminate most.

And keep the women?

If we're keeping the women, shouldn't we only ban men under a certain age?

With fewer men, the women will need companionship

26 posted on 04/17/2007 7:01:38 PM PDT by SJackson (restoring the Jews to their homeland is a noble dream shared by many Americans, A. Lincoln)
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To: ronnie raygun
I heard the ACLU fought and prevented psych evaluation when applying for a gun permit. Is this true?

If it is true, I'd applaud that action. The results of a psych evaluation would be too subjective and could be based on the bias of the evaluation giver. I've seen too many highly educated idiots cringe at the thought of a hunter killing an animal.

27 posted on 04/17/2007 7:06:51 PM PDT by Elyse (I refuse to feed the crocodile.)
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To: The Worthless Miracle

I wouldn’t rent that movie & give Moore a dime of my money. IMHO that man is a lying worthless scummer.


28 posted on 04/17/2007 7:16:09 PM PDT by pandoraou812 ( zero tolerance to the will of Allah ...... dilligaf? with an efg.....)
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To: SJackson
With fewer men, the women will need companionship

Assuming you know I was being sarcastic, then I'll play with the fewer men scenario. :)

29 posted on 04/17/2007 7:20:57 PM PDT by Wolfstar (When you whip the good guys into rage at the wrong enemy, don't be surprised when the bad guys win.)
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To: Wolfstar

I did.


30 posted on 04/17/2007 7:26:59 PM PDT by SJackson (restoring the Jews to their homeland is a noble dream shared by many Americans, A. Lincoln)
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To: sigSEGV
They drank water within 24 hours of commiting the crime too.

Bottled?

From where?

Was a time we'd realize that lunatics exist, and the solution from an individual prespective was one's right to defend oneself.

But you're right, could come a time that water will be an issue.

They put stuff in it years ago to prevent cavities you know, and the plastic bottles of today aren't safe.

Drink water, no guns, it's a reasonable precaution.

31 posted on 04/17/2007 7:30:40 PM PDT by SJackson (restoring the Jews to their homeland is a noble dream shared by many Americans, A. Lincoln)
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To: SJackson
There's a certain level of personal responsibility that goes with gun ownership. You don't take your firearms out if you have consumed alcohol. It's not only foolish, but in the case of a CCW holder, you can lose your CCW for carrying when drunk. If you are taking any drug that impairs you, that sets the stage for litigation/prosecution if you drive a car or operate heavy machinery. It isn't much of stretch to hold you responsible for improper behavior with a firearm while under the influence of a controlled substance. It's a purely voluntary act. No ban or prior restraint is necessary. What is necessary is holding people responsible for their own behavior.
32 posted on 04/17/2007 8:02:24 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: Myrddin

Agree with everything you said, people are responsible for their action. It’s the abuse of prior restraint that concerns me.


33 posted on 04/17/2007 8:08:05 PM PDT by SJackson (restoring the Jews to their homeland is a noble dream shared by many Americans, A. Lincoln)
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To: sweetiepiezer
Yes, yes, tens of millions of people take these drugs every day to relieve depression and lead more normal lives. They do not kill anyone.

Yet, one unbalanced person falls off the cliff most likely before the medication has time to help them and the vultures - excuse me - lawyers file sues galore. So, the tens of millions who benefit for the drugs can just go to hell! Right?
34 posted on 04/17/2007 9:44:55 PM PDT by Islander7 ("Show me an honest politician and I will show you a case of mistaken identity.")
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To: Islander7

Rent Michael Moore’s movies... and burn them :)


35 posted on 04/18/2007 7:59:04 AM PDT by Rick.Donaldson (http://realitycheck.blogsome.com - and yes, yes, I'm a "FredHead". Fred Thompson for Prez.)
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To: SJackson

There is a simple answer to question No. 1: America is a violent country.

What a Stupid statement.

Guns don’t kill , people Kill. and nations ( Like America)
are not violent, just that there are violent people, in EVERY Nation.
Russia has violence, China, Venesuala, Iraq, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Syria, lebanon, Cuba.All Communist, or Islamic..Breeding grounds for Vicious Behavior.
This Student was writing storys about students who killed a professor who had sexualy molested them. this could easily be His own experience, and along with “liberal” application of depression meds, and a Godless University,
Liberals are the cause of this mans actions.
many people with mental issues live right along side of us every day without harmming anyone, but just let liberals get in the mix, and this is what you get.


36 posted on 04/18/2007 8:16:26 AM PDT by LtKerst (Lt Kerst)
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To: Rick.Donaldson
Oy is this guy trying to summarize all the typical idiot liberal responses in one article?

There is small percentage of people who decide to kill themselves and someone who they perceive as having slighted them. A smaller percentage still decide to take along extra victims for dramatic effect. That this Cho creep was particularly efficient at his evil deeds doesn't change much in the broad scope of the problem. I really believe the biggest factor perpetuating these tragedies is the never-ending media coverage of the events themselves.

37 posted on 04/18/2007 8:23:55 AM PDT by Callahan
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To: SJackson

Never ever think of giving a dime to that POS Michael Moore..... NOt that you suggested it, but the thought of it makes me want to puke.


38 posted on 04/18/2007 8:32:22 AM PDT by vin-one (REMEMBER the WTC !!!!!!!!)
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To: zarf

Something that’s been bugging me. These big incidents often seem to happen around the span of April 15-20. Is there something about that time that just throws people off?


39 posted on 04/18/2007 10:10:24 AM PDT by HungarianGypsy (Fight global warming. Eat a cow.)
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To: Elyse

I worded this a bit wrong I meant to say your mental health status would be in a national data base so when you did apply for a permit and you had prior mental evaluations or treatmment it would show up!


40 posted on 04/19/2007 6:26:04 PM PDT by ronnie raygun (ID RATHER BE HUNTING WITH DICK THAN DRIVING WITH TED)
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