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Guns on campus: One is one too few
Union Leader New Hampshire News ^ | 04/17/07 | Unknown Commentary

Posted on 04/17/2007 10:20:16 PM PDT by TheBethsterNH

Guns on campus: One is one too few

1 hour, 12 minutes ago

BLACKSBURG, VA., IS a college town surrounded by countryside full of good ole boys who grew up shooting and hunting. Virginia Tech undoubtedly has a good number of experienced marksmen on campus as students, staff members and faculty. If just one of them had been able to retrieve his weapon quickly, there might be only three dead -- the first two victims and the shooter -- instead of 32.

Crazy? Hardly.

Consider the Saturday shooting at the Uptown Tavern in Manchester. Two men, one a Golden Glove boxer....(more) http://unionleader.com/article.aspx?headline=Guns+on+campus%


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An interesting hypothetical here.
1 posted on 04/17/2007 10:20:18 PM PDT by TheBethsterNH
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To: TheBethsterNH

Bump.


2 posted on 04/17/2007 10:21:36 PM PDT by TBP
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To: TheBethsterNH

Full text of commentary...

BLACKSBURG, VA., IS a college town surrounded by countryside full of good ole boys who grew up shooting and hunting. Virginia Tech undoubtedly has a good number of experienced marksmen on campus as students, staff members and faculty. If just one of them had been able to retrieve his weapon quickly, there might be only three dead — the first two victims and the shooter — instead of 32.

Crazy? Hardly.

Consider the Saturday shooting at the Uptown Tavern in Manchester. Two men, one a Golden Glove boxer, were being tossed from the bar at 12:45 in the morning when the boxer allegedly punched a bouncer in the face. The other man pulled a handgun and started firing at the bouncers and assistant manager.

The gunman fired six shots into the crowded bar before a customer who had come over to help the bouncers whipped out his own handgun and fired back. He hit the shooter twice, disabling him and instantly ending the shooting spree. The only reason that same scenario could not have played out on the Virginia Tech campus is that firearms are banned there.

Predictably, where guns are banned, only those willing to disobey the ban have guns. Law-abiding, rational citizens who might be able to stop a mentally ill or simply cold-blooded killer are left defenseless in the face of a murderer.

“All the school shootings that have ended abruptly in the last 10 years were stopped because a law-abiding citizen — a potential victim — had a gun,” Larry Pratt, executive director of Gun Owners of America, said after the Virginia Tech shooting.

Those that did not end abruptly? No armed citizen was there to stop the massacres.

You can say that one gun on campus is one too many. But it is and always will be impossible to prevent a determined person with ill intent from smuggling one (or more) onto campus. The best defense against such people is to increase the number of armed good guys so that there is always someone nearby able to respond.


3 posted on 04/17/2007 10:23:31 PM PDT by TheBethsterNH (...in Northern Massachusetts, formerly known as New Hampshire.)
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So I think the question should be: If the victims were carrying, how many would be victims?


4 posted on 04/17/2007 10:28:15 PM PDT by babygene (Never look into the laser with your last good eye...)
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Yes i agree, defending oneself...but also would someone think twice about going on a shooting spree knowing that others could be carrying concealed weapons too? A psychological deterent perhaps?


5 posted on 04/17/2007 10:32:04 PM PDT by TheBethsterNH (...in Northern Massachusetts, formerly known as New Hampshire.)
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Thanks for posting the full text.

The only reason that same scenario could not have played out on the Virginia Tech campus is that firearms are banned there.

Predictably, where guns are banned, only those willing to disobey the ban have guns. Law-abiding, rational citizens who might be able to stop a mentally ill or simply cold-blooded killer are left defenseless in the face of a murderer.
***worth repeating


6 posted on 04/17/2007 10:34:33 PM PDT by Kevmo (Duncan Hunter just needs one Rudy G Campaign Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVBtPIrEleM)
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I was not there but why did so many students not fight back? Why?


7 posted on 04/17/2007 10:34:48 PM PDT by lndrvr1972
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It probably depends on the level of sanity. Some people it would deter. But the psychopaths who mass murder innocent people and then kill themselves? Probably not.


8 posted on 04/17/2007 10:35:36 PM PDT by Irish Rose (Will work for chocolate.)
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To: TheBethsterNH; All

There is a lesson to be learned here, and it’s that:

UNARMED CITIZENS ARE DEAD CITIZENS

Easily butchered like sheep by mass murders, and ripe for victimization by criminals, and Liberal Socialists...


9 posted on 04/17/2007 10:37:59 PM PDT by tcrlaf (VOTE DEM! You'll Look GREAT In A Burqa!)
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If I hear another Monday morning quaterback from Geraldo Rivero I am going to vommit. I wish Fox news would kick his ass to the curb.


10 posted on 04/17/2007 10:38:15 PM PDT by lndrvr1972
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There’s a reason that these massacres happen at schools. They are “gun free” zones, aka only criminals have gun zones. They will continue happening. It’s lucky the Trolley Square killer didn’t go to a school campus.


11 posted on 04/17/2007 10:38:53 PM PDT by TheDon (The DemocRAT party is the party of TREASON! Overthrow the terrorist's congress!)
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“It probably depends on the level of sanity.”

Wouldn’t matter. If the 32 all were armed, there wouldn’t have been 32...


12 posted on 04/17/2007 10:39:38 PM PDT by babygene (Never look into the laser with your last good eye...)
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Yes i agree, defending oneself...but also would someone think twice about going on a shooting spree knowing that others could be carrying concealed weapons too? A psychological deterent perhaps?

As randog said on another thread, "Schools get attacked a lot; police stations don't."
13 posted on 04/17/2007 10:40:01 PM PDT by Jaysun (See you in Heaven if you make the list.)
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Remember Acworth GA....’nuf said.


14 posted on 04/17/2007 10:40:51 PM PDT by Uriah_lost ("build bridges where you can - but draw lines where you must." -Fred D Thompson)
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“Schools get attacked a lot; police stations don’t.”
I like that...


15 posted on 04/17/2007 10:41:47 PM PDT by babygene (Never look into the laser with your last good eye...)
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I wonder too why none of these students did not fight back but according to a local couple whose son taught just 100 yards down the same hallway, he had no clue for at least a half an hour that anything was going on...either real emersed in lecture? Who knows?


16 posted on 04/17/2007 10:41:54 PM PDT by TheBethsterNH (...in Northern Massachusetts, formerly known as New Hampshire.)
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To: lndrvr1972

Geraldo and Shep .... The Drama Queen Duo ....


17 posted on 04/17/2007 10:42:23 PM PDT by Neu Pragmatist
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No comprehendo.

I don’t see Geraldo Rivera mentioned in the article.

“All the school shootings that have ended abruptly in the last 10 years were stopped because a law-abiding citizen — a potential victim — had a gun,” Larry Pratt, executive director of Gun Owners of America, said after the Virginia Tech shooting.


18 posted on 04/17/2007 10:44:13 PM PDT by Kevmo (Duncan Hunter just needs one Rudy G Campaign Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVBtPIrEleM)
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To: Neu Pragmatist

You see that to.!!


19 posted on 04/17/2007 10:45:08 PM PDT by lndrvr1972
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Oh yeah , it’s bad. I swear, Fox is sounding eerily quite MSM with these two clowns spouting off every 10 minutes with overly dramatic feel-good sensationalism .

I hate to say it, but I swear even Brit Hume seems to have a hint of anti-gun fever , although subdued . Has anyone else picked up on it ?


20 posted on 04/17/2007 10:52:46 PM PDT by Neu Pragmatist
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