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To: Vicomte13

Those experiences can be explained by natural means. Also, if that experience is caused by the soul leaving the body, and only 20% of people have that experience, does that mean only 20% of people have souls??? ;-)


764 posted on 04/18/2007 5:21:27 PM PDT by TampaDude (If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the PROBLEM!!!)
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To: TampaDude

“Those experiences can be explained by natural means. Also, if that experience is caused by the soul leaving the body, and only 20% of people have that experience, does that mean only 20% of people have souls??? ;-)”

No, the experiences are currently scientifically inexplicable. Do not take it on faith that you know what is in the studies based on your pre-existing belief system. Read the studies. Of particular interest are the cases of “halting” operations for brain aneurysms, in which the patients enter stage III brain death, with no brainwave activity, and the brain actually drained of blood in a 50 degree room. Some of THOSE people report ongoing veridical experiences - which is to say, experiences with reference to the external world in a way that can be time-and-place verified, which occurred when they were in stage III brain death. You will also read in those studies the interesting case of the congenitally blind who have never seen. Those who have never seen never see in their dreams. But their NDEs are fully sighted, and afterwards they are as formerly sighted people, who had eyesight but lost it. They comprehend, for example, the concept of color, which the congenitally blind do not, as they have never seen anything, and don’t know what color is (try to describe “color” in words that don’t use color).

The studies themselves conclude that certain phenomena are “Not scientifically explicable at the present time”. These experiences CANNOT presently be explained by “natural” means or scientific means. You may think that someday they will be, but THAT is faith.

As to the 20%, and only 20% “having souls”, who knows? Maybe? Maybe the answer is that others did not remember. Maybe the answer is that others did not have any experiences. Maybe the answer is that only certain people live after death, and the rest die and are gone. I can’t speculate as to the spiritual MEANING of these studies without writing fiction. I can say that the peer reviewed, controlled, long-term (10 years is the norm) published hospital studies with corroborating results are indeed science in the truest sense of the word, and provide evidence for cognitive activity going on despite the fact that include brains in deep brain death, and including, in some cases, enhancements such as experiences of eyesight which the brain could not manufacture as it had no memory of ever having had eyesight.

It’s not medically explicable, currently, and it’s evidence for a detachable consciousness. I have termed that detachable consciousness a “soul”, simply to use the term you did.


766 posted on 04/18/2007 5:32:03 PM PDT by Vicomte13 (Le chien aboie; la caravane passe.)
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